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Technical question about cards: 10/15/2011 22:47:56


Mian 
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I'd have a question : does it have any effect on the delay of the moves if you play a priority card, then the 1st most, then a delay card, instead of the sequence priority-delay-1st move ?
Technical question about cards: 10/15/2011 22:48:25


Mian 
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*the 1st move
Technical question about cards: 10/15/2011 23:40:49

Fizzer 
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You're asking if there's a difference between these?

Attack Delay Attack Attack

and

Delay Attack Attack Attack


Then the answer is yes. The delay happens where you put it. Place the delay above the orders you want to be delayed, but below attacks you don't want to be delayed. Playing a priority card in the 2nd case is mostly meaningless, but it can be useful in the first case.
Technical question about cards: 10/15/2011 23:44:29


Mian 
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Well, no, the question would be if :
Priority Delay Attack Attack
Priority Attack Delay Attack

makes a difference like a full luck to have 1 more move delayed on the first case if both players play a delay card at the "same" stage of the turn.
Technical question about cards: 10/15/2011 23:49:07


Mian 
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Oh, I guess I got this : Priority Delay would be a kind of overcharged delay, as you force luck to play the delay card as early as possible, right ?..
Technical question about cards: 10/16/2011 06:20:47


Perrin3088 
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I'd Imagine that..

Priority Delay Attack Attack

would just make it so that your first attack would go before someone that used

Delay Attack Attack..

break the turn into phases if you will..

Deployment
Attack
Attack2
Attack3
etc.
Resolution

Priority is played during Deployment, as is abandon and spy... Blockade is played during Resolution

Priority makes your very first attack, no matter the phase that attack is in, go before other players in that phase.

Delay makes all attacks that are in your queue to take place in the next attack phase.. an further delay cards push you into further phases

Example

Player A uses
Priority Attack Delay Attack Attack

Player B uses
Priority Delay Attack Attack

Player C uses
Attack Attack Delay Attack Delay Attack Attack

Player D uses
Priority Priority Attack

Attack phase 1
Player B's Delay removes him from that phase
Player D's 2 Delays Trump Player A's 1 Priority, so Player D's attack goes first
Player A's Priority Trumps Player C's attack

D-A-C-C

Attack Phase 2
Afaik, Player B's Priority still take effect on his initial attack, so his first attack will be first in this phase

B-c/a-b/a

c/a and b/a describe that either player can go before the other, but they both will go once before the phase continues

Attack Phase 3
Since only Player C played 2 Delay cards, his attacks will dominate the phase

C-C



one thing I am unsure of, and should probably test.. is if Priority cards force the natural order of the rest of the turn or if it just variables the beginning of the turn.
Technical question about cards: 10/16/2011 12:55:11


x 
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the delay card doesnt delay it for one turn, it makes all attacks and transfers after it's played occur after all of your opponents moves.
Technical question about cards: 10/16/2011 12:56:20


x 
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a clearer way to do this would be to set up a 1v1 practice match with no fog and visible cards.
Technical question about cards: 10/16/2011 13:27:45


Mian 
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Yes, x, that's not the point. I wondered if playing a delay card was considered as a move, or if a Priority card affected only attacks and transfers, so that playing Priority then Delay is technically a blunder, except if you reeeeally want to play a delay before your opponent does, because this way you could play 1 move later than your opponent if he played a delay as well and played ut before you in the sequence of moves.
I believe playing a card is actually a move, in the meaning that it is affected by the play of a Priority card. So this would be definitely weird, though Priority then Delay would be be technically always a blunder --though it does have a sense, as little it may be, to play so.
Technical question about cards: 10/16/2011 17:50:23


x 
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mian, i was correcting perrins post. unless he meant d instead of b. as i said confusing.
Technical question about cards: 10/16/2011 18:41:12


Perrin3088 
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x, that's why I said it as phases.. not turns..
everything after a certain players Delay will happen after -everything- another player plays before the delay.. making them effectively different phases within a turn

Mian, how that would work would depend on if the order priority would change the turn order for the entire round or just speed the original move..
IE

random turn move would be

abbaabbaabba

if player B plays priority, does it make it

babaabbaabba
or
baabbaabbaab

If It's the later, then two people playing delay attack attack, but one using a priority, would indeed extend his turn one afterwards, assuming the priority prioritizes the delay and not the first attack/transfer
Technical question about cards: 10/17/2011 00:04:51


x 
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Order Priority Card will allow you to get the first move for the next turn. After playing an Order Priority Card, your first order will happen before your opponent's first order. After the first orders are executed, the rest of the orders will be executed normally, just as if you were selected to go first in the random that normally happens.
Technical question about cards: 10/17/2011 00:06:23


x 
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basically, if two players play order delay they cancel each other out. so either the order prority has no effect or it has the effect it normally has.
Technical question about cards: 10/18/2011 20:19:30


Perrin3088 
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http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1551082
Random Order

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1551129
Cyclic Order

Conclusions are included in the Cyclic Turn order game chatroom
Let me know if there are any other test order's you'd like me to check on before I VTE those games, am thinking I should run a few turns with multiple delays to show how the delays flow together, etc.
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