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Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 14:38:52


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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It would be a great incentive to buy the membership, and would probably reduce both alts usage and farming.

The idea:
ALL ranked games of members and non-members count.
ELO will be calculated for every player, regardless of whether he is a member or not.
The ELO score will be available only for the member accounts.
There will be NO tool to see what ELO is a non-member.
Games could include ELO prerequisite which would automatically make the game Member-only.

The dashboard can list the global rankings similar to those of ladders.
Games included in the elo should expire to prevent abuse, but much later than on the ladders.
And expiration should not reduce the games in question to 0 - let the expiration be 6 months but not less than 500 games to keep the rating accurate and prevent exploits like on the ladder.

It would be a great way to see which players are good outside the ladders (as the ladders are isolated to single templates)
And it would make clan ratings much more reliable than points.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 14:52:21


[WM] Gnuffone 
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+1 great idea
but Fizzer will never do this =)
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 15:11:36


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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hmm however I don't know who a memeber is.. :(
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 15:13:42


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i believe it would eb easier for fizzer to apply it if the non-.members wouldnt be included in the calculations, though the members should eb automatically part of the system
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 15:26:55


ps 
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add it to uservoice please, would get a vote from me.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 15:41:32


Unreality 
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i afraid the elo calculation with this size of players and this size of games will put the server in flame
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 15:43:23


Krzysztof 
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Well, it's quite clear, than ELO is harder to manipulate than simple win ratio, but still - this rating wouldn't be much reliable(especially with all those lottery games).
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 16:07:51


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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Krzychu - with lottery games? the players elo rating would fall. just because his winrate against rather low ranked players would be near 50%.

PS - would you be so kind and make a uservoice for me please? i can't use that site.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 16:09:12


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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and for the very reason of global rating EXISTING, high ranked players would not join lottery games.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 16:42:17


Aranka 
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I assume this plan would only include 1vs1 games ?

And if so would there be a subdivision in maps ??

The only way I see how this would work is if the Elo only applies to automatic 1vs1 ME strat games
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 16:52:16

Widzisz • apex 
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Someone suggested it before, I believe Gui mentioned it at least few times ... and hmm, I don't want this.


I like to play games for fun, games that results don't really matter, unfocused. I couldn't bear each game to be "important" (even in a really small degree). Yea, sure, I could play only practice games, but it's impossible in reality. And could prevent me from joining games I like.

Don't get me wrong, I meant to say I'm just firmly against the first point:

ALL ranked games of members and non-members count.

I don't want to be forced to participate in it. Make it optional or sth, I don't know.

As for the rest, maybe I could accept it. I guess it depends how it would be done. I think it's way too hard to make it work fair and square.
Because just like with the ladder, stats, or levels, I'm afraid people would find way to abuse and spoil it.
Cherry picking teammates, opponents, games, treaties in case of FFA and much more could happen as a result, if not prevented in some way.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 16:52:41


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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There would be absolutely no point in restricting the rating to one template. It would be counterprodictive, as we already have Ladder rating.

However, the system rating regardless of templates was requested a long long time ago. And it's not that difficult to make. Even with a filter, where you could toggle separate ratings based on maps, gametypes etc. It's very easy to implement with or without parametric options..
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 17:02:26


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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Widzisz - the point is - you would not care, BECAUSE every game would count.. and you would end up high anyways. the random games or ffas may be hosted as practice - and problem solved..

Aranka - maybe limiting it to two-team games would be enough. You may be right it may be more difficult to include a fair FFA skill calculator or for multiple-team games like 5v5v5v5 etc... but on the other hand there's always TrueSkill algorythm, which as far as i remember manages to include those as well..
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 17:14:23


Daisuke Jigen
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It all sounds a little superfluous to me, but, then again, I'm not a member. Perhaps this is something you want, because you feel that members don't get enough perks for their hard-earned dollar.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 18:40:24


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aranka, i believe that the elo system would serve to rank the actually played games, regardless oft he map and so on. it would be the rating fo other player that would end up by deciding the relevance of each map. obviously soem odd settigns might be ignored: high luck games, odd attack/offence, etc.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 19:33:39


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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Yes limitations of luck percentage and/or killrates and some other settings may be implemented - why not.. It would only be of benefit to the site! many gaming sites or systems have that (most if not all "serious" ones) why can't we? :(
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 20:40:16


hedja 
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Sounds like good idea, but it will be very hard for it to be implemented to make it hard to be exploited and make everyone happy. Would be good though as it would be another member-exclusive thing and would be good to see who is the best in large number of games, not the 2 they play at a time on the ladder.
500 games might be too much though, especially for only 6 months.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/26/2013 20:56:19


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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with 500 games or 6 months i meant the expiration mechanism - that games expire after six months but only if there are at least 500 OTHER non-expired games on this account. (to prevent what we see on the ladders - quitting and rejoining after expirations)
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/27/2013 16:19:12


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Interesting idea, but remain a lot of questions, I think.

My idea still that would be the best if Fizzer use exactly same system like in the (FIDE) chess.
There are two parts of this:
1. ELO ranking list, same way like chess (mounthly changed ELO ranking list (maybe we can use virtual ranking too like chess).
2. Official tournaments
There are a lot good old tourney series, those would be official, and Fizzer should create new ones. Only games from these tourney would be counted to the ELO ranking list.

To take part on this ELO ranking system players should sign in, and only members could sign in (prevent the alts). etc. etc.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/27/2013 17:10:02


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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That would be just a mere extension of the ladders.. What i'd like to see is a global solution. Partially making lottery games obsolete and cleaning some of the mess in open games...
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/27/2013 17:29:54


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Global ELO for memebers!: 11/27/2013 17:47:03


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I would like to see this global ELO system, though I am also leery of every game being included in it. For example, what about the farming games that people seem to play a lot of? You have people winning 24 way FFA's, how does that count into the ELO? Members are probably not doing that, but you never know.

I guess my point is it would be very hard to flush out the specifics of what counts and what does not.
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/27/2013 18:25:53


Pink 
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possibly only members only games shouldcount,but all of those shouldcount
Global ELO for memebers!: 11/28/2013 09:49:59


Ekstone 
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@Léon
"That would be just a mere extension of the ladders.."
Mere extension?

I think I won't able to write what I thought :(
I try again :P

First of all, about why I suggest to use the chess rankig system in Warlight:
Because the Warlight is very similar like the chess so the implementation is very easy.
Because the chess ranking system is a very professional ranking system.
Because the chess ranking system already exist and work well for years.

And what is the differecies beetwen the present ladders and the chess ranking system?
Well, check both of them, and you will see :P
The present ladders are not suitable to measure the global performances, I mean the ladders are very good racing possiblities, hard challanges, but not enough objective because it's properties. Not bad things, but not proper tools for a global ranking.

The chess ranking system is an excellent tool for this, I think.

I think there are two big problem with your proposal:
1. There are (many) players who don't wnat to race, only play for fun. I think, should let them the possibilies for that.
2. There are many-many possiblities for farming in your system, so the ranking will be unuseable too.

So there are 3 important things:
1. The new ranking system should be choosable. I mean the players should sign into it, not automatically ranking. And I think, should olny members can sing in (to avoid the alts). And no possibily to sign off, only become inactive (there should be two ranking list, active (only active players) and inactive (with all players))
2. only official games counted into the ELO ranking list. I mean official tournaments, and not only ad-hoc 1vs1. If somebody wants to play in an official tourney, he have to sign into the ELO ranking system first, only after can join to the tourney.
There are many good exist tourney series already, those would be official. But there are many-many possibilites for new tourneys (official country championships, European, American, Asian, World, etc. championships. Many variation of these, I think.
3. The ELO ranking list works same way like in the chess. Same counting method, same update frequencies (monthly, but can be virutal list too like in the chess)

And there are many other possibilies that we can implement from the chess system.
For example, we can use the titles (Grand Master, International Master, etc.)
We can use the white/black method. I mean, many players problem that tourney only for one template. If we use white/black method, the white player can choose the template where the current match will play on. Of course, should be create a legal template pools, so there is no possibilities to choose idiot settings. These templates would be similar like the openings in the chess.
We can use the chess team tourneys for our clan tourneys. Table rankings like in chess. We can use "team tables" too for 2vs2 and 3vs3 of course.
And this chess ELO ranking system can easy implement for teamplay too, only one restriction, no individual ranking, only team ranking. I mean, 1 player can play different teams, but his results will no summarized. He will in the list as many copies as many teams he is membered.
And so on, the sky is the limit :)

Fizzer, please develop it :)
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