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Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/21/2011 17:54:30


George
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This is about http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1413310 - a huge team game. One team has clearly won - I wouldn't be surprised if I personally earn more than the entire other team put together, and there are several players on my team who aren't that far behind me. All the players on the other side have resigned, and been replaced by AIs. But the AIs keep playing. Since there are 9 humans left on our team, it takes us about a day to get each move in. It will take maybe 20 more turns to reach the tip of Florida where the last enemy AI lives. That's almost a month of pointless drudgery. Fizzer, please, can we appeal to you to make the AIs surrender? And set the setting for the tournament so that when only AIs are left on one side, they do surrender?

Thank you.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/21/2011 18:11:48


13CHRIS37 
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+1
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/21/2011 18:20:41

Fizzer 
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Unfortunately WarLight isn't set up to allow settings changes mid-game. In this case, the tournament creator explicitly set the flag for AIs to not surrender when they're alone with humans - I recommend checking this setting next time as I agree on such a large map, taking down so many AIs can be a pain.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/21/2011 18:27:12


George
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There are so many settings to sanity check...
Can't you at least end this particular game?
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/21/2011 23:40:19


♦CPU♦ PROGAMER
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I am in another one in the same tournament with a similar situation. Let's just say I will always check ALL of the settings before signing up to a tournament from now on. I've actually asked a team mate to kill me off as I'm locked in the north-easy corner with no enemies anywhere near me so I'm utterly useless anyway.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 01:41:42

Dr. TypeSomething 
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Couldnt some of you surrender to speed it up?
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 02:01:32


George
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PROGAMER: Don't give up hope, that tournament has lots of gift and airlift cards, so being locked off isn't hopeless. Someone can gift you a territory closer to the action, and you can airlift your troops there. That's what happened to me - I made my corner safe, which let me get up to a huge build, then someone who was hard pressed gave me a gift of a territory, which I dropped most of my build in. Worked quite well.

TypeSomething: We discussed that, and someone said that surrendering does something bad to your record for the tournament. Maybe we misunderstood?
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 02:33:28


♦CPU♦ World Dominator 
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I've since made my tournaments setting for AIs to surrender when no humans remain on their team. I should've checked my settings before I went live. Sorry everybody.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 02:45:14


13CHRIS37 
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A few statistic are influenced when you surrender from a game (even if your team goes on to win). First you do not get credit for a completed game. The other is your personal record against your teammates AND opponents for that game will read:

Team Game USA Tournament: First Round (SurrenderAccepted)

whereas if you stay until all the AI are eliminated you would see:

Team Game USA Tournament: First Round (Won)


The fault lies on the game/tourney creator. We like to assume games are created with reasonable settings however as of now there is no quick way to see what settings have been changed from the default settings. There is a uservoice request to highlight non standard game settings, maybe we can get some votes going since save single player games was just implemented.

The last time this happened to me I was the only one left in 8 player FFA on Large USA with well over 1000 income. I tried to let my AI fight and win but surrendering myself ended the game by Vote (to End). This game I deploy my income on one territory and submit orders as is without any attacks.

For future tourney games I suggest we don't accept any surrenders and force them to help us eliminate players one by one rather then fighting AI and eventually coloring the entire map.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 12:53:38

Fizzer 
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|> A few statistic are influenced when you surrender from a game (even if your team goes on to win)

That's incorrect. If your team wins, you get a win no matter how you ended up - booted or surrendered.

It may show the stats you mention while the game is still in progress (since WarLight doesn't know if you've won yet), but as soon as your team wins all the stats you mention change to reflect that each player won.

Surrendering here is a good idea by TypeSomething - only the person on the front lines needs to stay in the game. Using this strategy you guys should be able to resolve the issue you guys are facing.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 15:37:05


13CHRIS37 
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Fizzer you misunderstood me. For ease of explanation I will use a 2v2 scenario, every player being their first multiplier game.

Team A Player 1 / Team A Player 2

vs.

Team B Player 1 / Team B Player 2


If Player 1A is booted, surrendered, or eliminated and Player 2A goes on to win the game, Player 1A's stats would appear on his profile as;

Ranked Games
Completed 0 ranked games (0 / 1)

2v2: 1 / 1 (100%)



If Player 1A views Player B1 or Player B2 profile and selects "Common Games See games where we played together" The stats would read:

Common Games with Player 1/2B

2v2 game (Eliminated/surrendered/booted)


Off topic but still related If the first game for a player ends by vote, his profile would again show:

Ranked Games
Completed 0 ranked games (0 / 1)
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 15:50:15

Fizzer 
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I understood you perfectly - but you're still wrong :)

A win is a win for the entire team, no exceptions. I can think of two reasons you might be under this false impression:

A) While the game is still *in progress*, it shows as a loss. Technically your state for the game is "Surrendered", so it counts as a loss on your profile. Once your team wins, your state changes to "Winner"

B) Your profile page can be up to 30 minutes out of date because it's cached for performance. So you have to wait until 30 minutes after the game ends to see it change to a win.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 17:10:28


Ruthless 
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bazinga!
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/22/2011 19:01:34


George
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We'll try it, and see what happens. Thanks.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/28/2011 20:44:05


George
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Most people surrendered, and we're 2 turns away from finishing Florida, but I'm unable commit moves. Whenever I press "Commit" the "sending orders" arrow spins for minutes, then eventually gives up. I can commit moves for other games I'm in.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/28/2011 20:55:50

Fizzer 
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Unfortunately big maps like Big USA have issues when the majority of the map is covered by AIs.

In this case, the AIs collectively control over 1900 territories, so it takes them so long to make all of their moves that the game times out. This is something I need to work on a fix for, but haven't had the time.

I made a note to look into fixing this game when I get a chance.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 9/29/2011 05:52:46


Perrin3088 
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I know when me and my partner play our 22 AI games, each turn takes a long time, even when we only have 22 territories on the AI's..
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/2/2011 02:30:44


George
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So, um - any suggestions? I'd hate to get booted from the game due to being physically unable to submit my move!
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/3/2011 03:50:38


13CHRIS37 
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I guess he was auto-booted from not being able to make a turn with so many AI. Game went auto VTE and reset due to it being a tourney game.

FAIL

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1509144
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/3/2011 03:53:21


13CHRIS37 
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lol nvr mind different tourney, I fail!

but srsly first game is still open
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/4/2011 07:21:31

Fizzer 
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Please try again now that 1.07.3 is live and e-mail me at fizzer@warlight.net if you have any more problems.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/4/2011 12:53:19


George
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I got booted due to being unable to submit moves. :-(
We did win, which, I guess, is more important.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/4/2011 17:13:24

Fizzer 
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Your own teammate booted you? Boggle.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/4/2011 18:01:21


George
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Hah. Just you wait; It's a tournament, so I'll get him next game... :-) Just kidding. I can understand how max felt about it, and the fact is, after he booted me, the game did complete. I'm just not sure why the AIs worked for him and not for me.
Fizzer: A plea for help ending a huge team game with only AIs: 10/4/2011 18:34:33

Fizzer 
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Because I fixed it in 1.07.3.
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