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[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 03:25:27

JSA 
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Hey guys, I'm back and I'm going to reveal the [20] standings so far:

There will be a total of 19 1v1 games, 8 2v2 games, and 5 3v3 games. That's a total of 32 games. Most players are about halfway through so far.

1. JUPITER: +12 (16 games remaining)
2. Mannerheim: + 10 (18 games remaining)
3. Teddy: +4 (20 games remaining)
4. Fridge: +4 (14 games remaining)
5. Gnuffone: +3 (15 games remaining)
6. Timinator: +2 (26 games remaining)
7. Anonymous: +2 (12 games remaining)
8. Frankdeslimste: +1 (23 games remaining)
9. Falker: +0 (14 games remaining)
10. Heyeheuhei: -1 (19 games remaining)
11. Unknownsoldier: -1 (17 games remaining)
12. EZPickens: -1 (17 games remaining)
13. Old Surehand: -2 (20 games remaining)
14. Marc: -2 (16 games remaining)
15. Longhouse: -5 (17 games remaining)
16. Lobstrosity: -10 (16 games remaining)

2 other participants (myself and dunga) were booted in over 10 games so their results will not be scored. 2 other participants just played 1v1 (dead piggy and dreuj).

Is anyone else surprised Jupiter and Mannerheim have a huge lead on everyone else in A League so far? That could change, but it still makes those two look like very underrated players. Should be interesting to see how this season plays out.

Also, there will be no [20] leagues such as this next season. Instead, we will have a strategic 1v1 playoff system. I am working on the details currently but I will make a thread about it when it comes out. I might add 1-2 other events as well.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 03:29:20


professor dead piggy 
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Why dont you chuck me and dreuj in as well? I am at +3 (joint 6th) and dreuj at +5 (3rd) just off 1v1 games.

Edited 11/14/2013 03:33:50
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 03:44:30

JSA 
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Yeah, I would add you guys in, but with the final standings, it will be about who gets the most points. So you guys will be at a severe disadvantage.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 04:07:55


professor dead piggy 
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Is it +1 for a win and -1 for a loss? If the points system is a zero sum game then me and dreuj just have to end up with more wins than losses to stay above the average. Infact we would be at quite a big advantage by only opting into the competitions we specialise in.

Thanks for adding all that up, must have taken a while.

Edited 11/14/2013 04:13:20
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 04:17:44


Kenny • apex 
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Where's the tournament link?
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 04:22:46

JSA 
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Dead piggy, it actually only took 10-15 minutes. And yes, right now the point system is +1 for a win, -1 for a loss. But at the end, I will add up wins, since all players should have played 32 games if they really wanted the [20] title. Right now, you are at an advntage in the points system. But when the season ends, you will be at a big disadvantage.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 04:25:17


professor dead piggy 
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http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=5703 thats the 1v1.

Please, call me piggy. Will you be making adjustments? For example, is anyone who lost to JSA or dunga going to be given a win? is someone who got booted from a totally winning position going to be awarded the win?
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 04:30:05

JSA 
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Haha okay Piggy, I was not planning on making adjustments, I don't have time to look through each game. And with me and dunga, I believe we each lost 1-2 games by playing, and not by boots, so giving the guys that lost to us a free win would not be fair to the guys that beat us without boots.

And lolowut, I'll post 2v2 adn 3v3 links soon.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 07:56:35

Jehovah 
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ha! i was right in the predictions, jay did end up last!

i wonder, does that mean jay will get relegated to 20B now?
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:01:40


[WM] Gnuffone 
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a win is a win, for boot or for suuredmer, should count imho. in the past we always do it.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:06:18

Jehovah 
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i agree gnuff, but you know jay... ;)
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:09:35


professor dead piggy 
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In the past lippy italians got exiled so people didnt have to listen to their BS, but times change. "In the past we always do it" is not a good justification for anything.

Wins due to boots are unimportant because wherever possible a league should reward good play. Giving someone points for losing against a player who happened forgets to take a turn reduces the credibility of the league.

I remember when I beat you in the 3v3ENC clot after sze got booted you bitched and whined about how unfair it was and how you wanted a rematch. You didnt stop until myhand and sze weighed in, and told you to shut up because you had clearly lost. What has caused this change in your atittude?

Edited 11/14/2013 08:13:36
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:12:55

Jehovah 
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ah but pig, but regardless of the reason, dont people who end up last in the league get relegated anyway?

Edited 11/14/2013 08:13:05
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:14:31


professor dead piggy 
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I'm not talking about JSA, Im talking about the people he beat before he left getting penalised.

Edited 11/14/2013 08:15:19
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:16:42

Jehovah 
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to be honest, i dont know why jay hasnt included dunga and himself in the list. Maybe its because he doesnt want to be publicly humiliated with his name at the bottom, i dont know, but they participated in the league, their results, wins or losses should count regardless ofc.

Edited 11/14/2013 08:17:09
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:23:00


professor dead piggy 
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Why do you dislike JSA?
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:28:12

Jehovah 
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he burnt down my house in my last life.

nah i just admire jay's antics in persuading people he's good. Giving excuses beforehand, excluding himself in rankings where he had fucked up.... etc
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 08:43:20


his balls. 
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Obviously that was Jay's intention with the decision to arbitrarily draw the line at 10 boots. Its classic Jay along with informing the world of his levels of concentration. It can be assumed, Jay, that everyones concentration wavers.

I think of course boots should count otherwise in a league where there is supposedly the possibility of relegation it provides an easy way out. I have 17 games left so can you please let me know now whether you (Jay) and Dunga are relegation candidates. Thanks.

3 vs 3 is slightly different I guess since it may not be your fault. I still think people should accept boots and just move on.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 12:53:24


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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nice :)

The manly man's kid JSA chickens his ass out of not his league - grrrreeaat :)

JSA - despite you got booted in several games, your score should be included for one reason at least - at the time, you were active. you simply decided not to make moves on this single account.. so what you're saying is pure bullshit. It was only up to you, and your sneaky decision. You have seen you're not exactly where you belong, so you decided to stop playing this tournament and blame it all on whatever reason you came up with.. CLASSIC

there is absolutely no reason not to mention them on the list.. they joined the tournaments, they started playing those - they should be included on the list. And at least all of JSA's scores should be counted. Dunga has retired. we know it. he is not active anymore. At all. He is only controlled by one player not to let down his teammates in teamgames. But JSA's whole lot a different story. He is active, he plays, he just doesn't give a shit about it and/or got scared after in his beloved 1v1 he lost 4:1 at the very beginning of the tournament.. then he got booted and 10 times in a row simply gave a walkover by surrendering on picks.

Tournament        JSA won lost playing                    Dunga won lost playing
1v1                    1   14     1   booted once                2   17     0 
2v2 szeurope           2    1     1   booted once                1    0     1 
3v3                    1    0     1   not booted                 1    1     1


JSA -11
Dunga -14 (retired at the beginning of this tournament) <- and i specifically opt for including this note next to dunga and dunga only on the list.


don't worry JSA, your teammates (whoever plays teamgames for you) will get you out of that thing you've just stepped into..

just to make things clear - i do feel counting their 1v1 scores may be not fair for those who actually played against those players and lost their games, so i would opt for NOT including the scores in other players' results.

and last but not least - JSA - why do you need to be that one bad apple who ruins the game for others like that? Quitting in the middle of the tournament may be fully understandable like in dunga's case.. but quitting on your whim only to shout on forums that you are out of the list for no reasons wahtsoever only raises issues like whether or not include your scores - and which to include and which not.. this is ridiculous. Some people won against you in a fair fight - why should they be penalized just because you chickened your ass away from this? On the other hand -why should the one player who actually lost to you be gratified while he lost a fair fight?

You wanted to be recognized as one of the top players? Why not continue playing the tournament among them? I remember you shouting you can make anyone get to top 3 of the ladder or so, while you were still only around place 30.. Stop living in a dream. You are a bad player, and one people cannot rely on as a teammate.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 13:06:23


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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1.  JUPITER:       +12  (16 games remaining)
2.  Mannerheim:    +10  (18 games remaining)
3.  Dreuj:          +5            (only 1v1)
4.  Teddy:          +4  (20 games remaining)
5.  Fridge:         +4  (14 games remaining) 
6.  Dead piggy:     +3            (only 1v1)
    Gnuffone:       +3  (15 games remaining)
8.  Timinator:      +2  (26 games remaining)
9.  Anonymous:      +2  (12 games remaining)
10. Frankdeslimste: +1  (23 games remaining)
11. Falker:         +0  (14 games remaining)
12. Heyheuhei:      -1  (19 games remaining)
13. Unknownsoldier: -1  (17 games remaining)
14. EZPickens:      -1  (17 games remaining)
15. Old Surehand:   -2  (20 games remaining)
16. Marc:           -2  (16 games remaining)
17. Longhouse:      -5  (17 games remaining)
18. Lobstrosity:   -10  (16 games remaining)
19. JSA:           -11  (13 games remaining)

20. Dunga          (retired during the competition after a few initial games)


edit: i somehow missed your misspell of hhh

Edited 11/14/2013 13:07:51
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 13:12:23

Incognito
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So much venom for JSA! He is the new Beeblebuz! Invite him to join the [20] clan!
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 13:37:25


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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he declined the honorable position of our mascot :(
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 13:45:39

Jehovah 
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ooooh choose me! i want to be 帥哥's mascot!!!
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 15:47:21

Qi 
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I'll invite you to be my mascot if you change your name to one of the following:

1. Gui's Beech
2. 小鸡鸡枪
3. Mascot
4. Gui
5. Phizzer
6. dead peegui
7. Fridge
8. yourhandisonfire
9. unknownsoldat
10. 'Nuff the Vincible
11. Boobiebulbz
12. The Essence of Sze
13. Wanna-be Master
14. Hulkamania (only if you talk like Hulk Hogan)
15. The Windowwiper
16. HK Sweetcheeks

Edited 11/14/2013 15:48:55
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 15:52:21

Jehovah 
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wait.... i have to join your 20 clan to be your mascot!?

Number 8 and 11is nice... though hand can be replaced with another body part... :), though i'd still prefer 帥哥 :/

but too bad i'v cashed in all my name changes :'(

Edited 11/14/2013 15:53:18
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 16:03:00

Qi 
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Use one of your 50 member accounts.
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 16:04:38

Jehovah 
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i cant afford a membership (this one was my friend), i aint got no money to be your mascot!
i was even expecting to be paid for being your b1tch!
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 16:04:47


Pink 
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all his member account sre in 2 high a lvl
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 20:21:18


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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lucky number slevin...
[20] Standings so far: 11/14/2013 21:42:34

JSA 
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Fridge, I actually did not even log on to warlight for a period of nearly two months. My account has been in the hands of Gnuffone since early September I believe. Are you blind? I played 4 games to completion, lost 3. I had a big advantage on HHH in our game, so in games I played, I was 2-3. I told Gnuffone to not worry about 1v1 because he said he didn't have much time to play games, and the only things I cared about was making sure I wasn't booted in team games for [20], because it woudl not be fair to Frankdeslimste, Gnuffone, and Falker. Go ahead and include me in your list if you want. I could care less if you think I am a great player. Anyone who cares about who got last could check out the tournament and see that nearly all my losses were boots.

And from waht I see, me and dunga are nearly in the same scenerio except I have come back to my account now, while he has not played his main account. So whatever you think, go for it Fridge.

You wanted to be recognized as one of the top players? Why not continue playing the tournament among them? I remember you shouting you can make anyone get to top 3 of the ladder or so, while you were still only around place 30..

What the hell are you talking about? I have no memory of this, if I did say something like this, please show me where.

And if you guys want to make these tournaments again, that is fine. I'm not intersted in them, it is like Gui said all along, big round robins lead to loss of interest and/or boots. I will make other [20] events, instead of the round robins. But if someone wants to organize the round robins, go ahead, take out me, dunga, and teh 2 lowest finshers in A this season, and put in Summer, and 3 others, (maybe Mirror, Schmidt, giovanni).
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