Old Blind Barnabas said:

My knees are tired, my eyes are old and bent. Yet still, I can see that my bum cheeks open by day and close by night. Yep, my butt is actually my mouth. God put my mouth in the wrong location.

I found a working translation for your gibberish, bruv.

Good day.

For each team there are 8 points for 1vs1, 6 points for 2vs2 and only 4 points for 3vs3 ??

How does that even make sense in a CLAN LEAGUE. The 3vs3 should be the main criteria to look at for if we wanted to see individual results we could just as well look into the ladder system instead.

In the third clan league it was changed POST start date to include 3vs3 more strongly (also that being the reason why WM still got a win out of it) and now suddenly the arguments which held strong prior to emphasize 3vs3 are now all void ?

Aranka, the Group A clans voted to change it. Just becuase your clan does not agree with this point system does not mean the majority's on your side. The majority is in fact for changing it to this current system.

Still I agree with Aranka, it is a CLAN league, not a 1v1. The clans in Group A are all good clans and will be able to put up 1v1 players who will destroy the other clans, but that is not the point. It should be decided by teamplay, else this isn`t a real Clan League.
I understand that there have been votes and that it is set as it is now, but the biggest teams in group A have an advantage over the other teams in group A, and it is logical that they (the big, good clans) voted for this system.

Aranka complains because she knows the only way she can get points is through team games ;D

Still I agree with min and Aranka. Old point system is better

You guys realize that 56% of points will be scored in team games and only 44% in 1v1, right? Team games are still more valuable. This new system prevents a boot in one game from costing you a ton of points.

Min, what does the size of the clan have to do with it? I don't see the connection at all.

This format is still mostly team games, just not focused on them like other clan leagues have been.

You guys can disagree, but it isn't getting anywhere. The representatives have voted and they decided in favor of this system. People are going to disagree with every decision by an authority. The best the leader can do is make as many clans as possible happy.

With big clan I mean good clans. Bad word choise there. Sorry

let's go one step further!

make it a single round robin of strategic 1v1!

and only one participant per clan!!

This will surely make the league a more accurate measure of how good in terms of skill and harmonious in terms of teamplay are all the clans!

the current system doesn't give group B C and D any real chance of running for #1!!!

Let's change it!

Let's do it!

Let's JSA it!

You should listen to Brain. He's very smart.

Man, I know you guys enjoy ribbing JSA and questioning everything he does, but this is getting pretty freaking ridiculous. The negativity in both this thread and the season III group A thread is really pissing me off. The joke was only funny the first 3 or 4 times. Sheesh.

how do youguys know which teams are in which group?
Is there any link to the league?

Only me and Jupiter voted the previous system, i don't like it either that the value changed, but 50%+1 won...nothing to complain...

How about something like 6 1v1 RR 1 point each
and I know it sounds insane but how about on 3 of these RR we use templates other than strategic ME
and we do 3 2v2 RR 2 points each, each one on a different template and 2 3v3 RR worth 3 points each
this way we use more players on a variety of templates
I know chances of these ideas to be accepted are slim to none but I'm putting it out there for the hell of it

Honestly, I never really understood why team games give more points.
Why winning 3vs3 was the same as winning 4 times 1vs1?
So, I think now it's better than previous league.
If it was up to me, I would give 1 point for each game :D

Ineffable, the biggest issue with that is it requires 6 players to compete. Some clans don't have enough active players to do that.

To be fair, if a clan doesn't have 6 active players, how much of a clan is it really?

apex has 6 players, but only 5 play for them in the clan league. Is apex a clan?

Personally I'd agree with Ineffable and Pushover here, as only two clans in B League (MC, as a last stand before it hit the grave, and Master, which was just formed) had the minimum 4 players.

In A League, I count... WM = 7, Apex = 6, AHOL = 7, WG = 8, CPU = 10, REGL = 6, WL = 9. None of these are the minimum 4 players.

Although Ineffable's system would make clans edit their lineups, it does even better than any point change in letting one person's boot feel like less of a disadvantage.

Anyway, if we assume that people get booted from a whole tournament (It seems more likely that one person would go inactive than get booted in only one game), then the only way to really lessen the impact of that is to make more tournaments.

The new/current system makes a 3v3 boot less of a loss, but it makes a 1v1 boot more of a loss. >.>

You're only 6 players? I would have sworn you were more than that...

I think the new scoring is an improvement from last time, but if team games are that much more important doesn't it make sense to play more of them rather than make fewer worth more points than 1v1s?