Cut down the gvt today, and tomorrow a corporation will become the new gvt

Corporations were created by government regulation

Give men a utopian world, and you're sure some day someone will start working to ruin it

Mankind and womankind have been working at making the world better since day one, it is because of human ingenuity and long term intelligence that we are not foraging in the forests for nuts and berries.

Ancap can't work, just like communism can't, that's inherent to the human kind.

It's not inherent. We humans have rid some things that used to be inherently of our specie, that's how we evolved from apes that "inherently" throw poop at each other as a mating rite. A human of today will have lost many "inherent" traits of a human of 200,000 years ago. A man today doesn't think that a woman is available to him for sex whenever he wants, I'd say this is a far bigger thing to break evolutionarily than just upgrading the selflessness for the tribe/family that we had/have.

One bad apple will spoil the rest, that's why we're far from it still, but over many years, we lose "inherent" traits.

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US already last, its a default clause called invading Afghanistan.

@MGSB

Again, a liberal bad assessment of the economy (economic-liberal); the actual gvt's role in the economy is to fight monopolies (or at least it was?).

I see capitalism as a darwinist system: the best fitted evolve and the rest just "die". Which isn't a bad thing, as it is needed for improvement of products and services. But the problem comes when a corporation is so performant, that it just kills out the concurrence or just merges with it. When there's a monopoly, the society as a hole suffers. An ancap or very libertarian gvt will do nothing but accelerate this processus, and the "laissez-faire" will end up with a lone corporation controlling all the economy.

And if you think that by some magic way, a concurrent corporation will rise to fight off the evil one bc of a supply-demand rule, you ignore the human factor, the powerful corporation will just take down the concurrence by any means, and there goes your savior.


@Жұқтыру

Yea, the society evolved, but hardly humans did. I'm talking about the human species, not another one, or the one our descendents may be. But the actual homo sapiens.

If society evolved, men did not. Break apart the current society, and we'll see the most terrible human behaviour comming back. We can see that every day with terrible crimes commited in war zones: rape, summary executions and warcrimes are a common thing in our days, go to Syria and you'll see.

Mankind and womankind have been working at making the world better since day one, it is because of human ingenuity and long term intelligence that we are not foraging in the forests for nuts and berries.

There is one thing that really noone really owns - it's a communist thing. The air.

And some businesses and folk are choosing to ruin it since they're selfish, and only interested in short-time. It's ruining it for innocent good doers, in ways of smog, for example. These businesses don't care a toe about "human ingenuity and progress", but just about making money.

The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.

Yea, the society evolved, but hardly humans did. I'm talking about the human species, not another one, or the one our descendents may be. But the actual homo sapiens.

If society evolved, men did not. Break apart the current society, and we'll see the most terrible human behaviour comming back. We can see that every day with terrible crimes commited in war zones: rape, summary executions and warcrimes are a common thing in our days, go to Syria and you'll see.

Ok, society evolved. And it can evolve again. It's as easy as that.

As for war - 99% wars and bloody conflits are brought about by some patriotism or nationalism, which all governments support. Some evil, toxic pride of something they have no right to be proud of, this is what starts war.

If you've ever killed anybody, unless you have a big mental illness, if you see them die, their life leave them, leaving an empty shell of rotting nonlife, it's not something you want to do again. Humans killing other humans - this is very much not in "inherent" humanship.

Unluckily, now we can kill at distances, through the development of such wonderful weapons like ILBMs, but even common guns. You don't see the face, and way back when, it was very bad for humans to kill their fellow species - they work together.

We must eliminate air! It is dirty and socialist!

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.

The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.

I didn't say a word about government, but air is truly communist-owned. See how it's dealt with.

lol at ppl who dont like the us hegemony

when its gone ull all beg for the good ol days

Drone operators tend to have almost as much guilt as other kinds of soldiers, so even long range killing is occasionally as bad.

The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly. It does this through use of force upon companies that disobey standards, and the US and the socialists did this in the thirties, going so far to go building to building with guns rounding up folk working too much, or working for less money.


I didn't say a word about government, but air is truly communist-owned. See how it's dealt with.


I was talking to Teamguns.

We must eliminate air! It is dirty and socialist!

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.

Not at all talking about the history of it.

Business owners that are fouling the air are not caring a drop about humanity's progress, and hurt folk - it's estimated that CO2 in the air kills more for each joule than all the other kinds of manmade energy combined.

lol at ppl who dont like the us hegemony

when its gone ull all beg for the good ol days

ya, your hedges are the best.

can i buy? before theyre out of stock? pls?

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How does Co2 kill? If anything, it's given the earth more time to live, the earth was most likely going to lose life in two million years if humans hadn't rereleased more Co2 into the atmosphere.

@MSGB go read up on global warming.

Go read up on how global warming isn't some insane badness that will wipe out all life.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Main_symptoms_of_carbon_dioxide_toxicity.svg;
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/CO_toxicity_symptoms_%28en%29.jpg

In the early days of the Shoa, they killed Jews by locking them up in a lorry and left it running.

Earth will lose life in 15,000 years, and all the CO2 and global warming won't really touch a toe of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia

CO is way more poisonous, though.

0.32% air concentration: death in 30 minutes.
1.28% air concentration: unconciousness in 2-3 breaths, death in 3> minutes.

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Ok, society evolved. And it can evolve again. It's as easy as that.

That's the thing, society can keep evolving, but if someone breaks it apart, the human terrible part can still come back.

Anyways, industrialization in the long run has given life to billions of folk that would have not existed otherwise, and continues to do so.

Industrialization and capitalism aren't bad things by themselves, the bad is in the unintended consequences of each.

The government is the only thing that can effectively establish a large monopoly.

The gvt can establish a monopoly, and it does. Most gvt have the monopoly of justice, security and armed forces. But it isn't the only power that can create monopolies.

Go and read about standart oil and rockefeller. In 1904, Standard controlled 91 percent of production and 85 percent of final sales.

And then this: The evidence is, in fact, absolutely conclusive that the Standard Oil Co. charges altogether excessive prices where it meets no competition, and particularly where there is little likelihood of competitors entering the field, and that, on the other hand, where competition is active, it frequently cuts prices to a point which leaves even the Standard little or no profit, and which more often leaves no profit to the competitor, whose costs are ordinarily somewhat higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil


Also for the CO2 saving life thing, that's a non-sense. Darwinist views of evolution proves that somewhat life will survive, millions of species might go extinct bc of a mass extinction era, but some species will always survive. Mars was once a planet full of life, most of it is gone now, but there's still bacteria and monocelular life in Mars, waiting for something to happen so it can flourish again.

If a factory produces so much Co2 that folk start getting sick and dying in the area, so do the workers and that makes it unprofitable to the owner, since the factory is permanently shut down when it's running.