Hi, is there anything that we can do about a tournament with auto boot OFF and abandoned players? The tournament created at September of 2012. The manual boot from the opponent can`t happen because the game is between the 3 players who have abandon the game. Even the "we are waiting for this player to submit orders" starts over since we waiting for him more than a year.

The Abandoned Games system will eventually boot them. See http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Abandoned_games

101 days is too much IMO. In a tournament that could hold it up years (because when that game finally gets resolved someone else will be inactive). IMO it should be 30 days, that is plenty.

I also think tournaments need to be deleted if not started after a certain period (that can be longer like 100 days). Otherwise you just get a bunch of inactive people in there anyway, and that feeds into the issue Apollwnas has.

it wouldnt be all that fair to make it much lower

Why not, what is the danger? It still gives them a two week warning to get their act together.

WarLight is all about choice. If you don't want to play in tournaments that can go this long, you should create/join tournaments with a reasonable auto boot.

But your argument is that you want to *take away* the ability for other people to play longer games. When you put it in that light, I hope you see how selfish this argument is. Not everyone plays WarLight in the same way you do - imagine a family playing a game together where one member of the family isn't able to take their turn for a while. Perhaps everyone in the family is fully willing to wait for them. Your argument is that WarLight shouldn't let them wait, and instead should force the game to end at 30 days? That goes against WarLight's philosophy of letting people play how they want.

Worst case, the boot could happen as late as 129 days.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=1977596

Booted after 142 days 18 hours / 159 days 17 hours.

I think there were some bugs with it in the past that delayed it. That game is from last year. I believe it's working correctly now.

Perhaps tournament games could be on a 30-day boot schedule while non-tournament games have an 100-day boot? Or, perhaps tournaments of a certain size or greater (32 players+? 64 players+?) should have a lower booting time? I doubt there's an open-seat tournament with hundreds of players that are all patient enough to wait 100 days.

All in all, I am fine with small tournaments - and individual games - taking up 100 days before they're abandoned, but bigger tournaments - especially ones that have been rotting in the Open Tournaments page - should not receive the same treatment.

just make that 100 day boot thing adjustable if its not already that way no one can complain when they make it themselves -.-

Edited 10/22/2013 19:50:15

the 100 days thing is somethign which comes in the lack of an auto-boot time, it is an adjustement to flawed settings, not the typical settings, as such no typical timing may be found

Well, I have also advocated that auto boot be the standard (so people would need to turn it off). But even if that were the case, it doesn't solve the issue of both people being inactive in a tournament. There are NO settings that can fix that, outside changing the 100 day deletion of a game.

This goes directly to Fizzer's point. He says "If you don't want to play in tournaments that can go this long, you should create/join tournaments with a reasonable auto boot." Well, you can have a 3 day auto boot, but if if both players don't show up, there is nothing you can do about it but wait 100+ days for that game to resolve. Neither party is present to force join the other. This happens VERY often. Usually it will be resolved in the first round eventually, but when the first round gets delayed for 4 months, other people go inactive. The chances lesson every round, but it still creates a ton of problems and ruin tournaments.

Perhaps an alternative solution is an auto-force join? Obviously not the length of auto-boot, it would need to be something more like 30 days. That way if people want to play without auto-boot in a relaxed fashion, it will at least make people join but not delete the game for 100+ days on inactivity. So if there was an auto-boot, the game would be resolved in 33-35 days most likely (with 3-5 day auto-boot) if neither party bothers to show up.

I also take offense to being called selfish. I have been VERY active on uservoice trying to improve the game. I have beta tested apps and given good feedback. I have helped many people on here with map making, and made several of my own. I am working hard on some CLOTs. I have helped players get better as well. Sometimes I can be a little critical of things that I think could really use a fix/tweak, but overall I think I am a VERY positive contributor to this site and game.

Edited 10/23/2013 13:19:44

he didnt say you were a selfish person is general, just that your argument was a bit selfish, which is sort of true, since some people may like longer game. Like Fizzer said, you can always just read settings b4 you join, make sure there is auto boot.

anyway, chill, chill...

Did you read my post though? Auto-boot does not solve the issue of two people being inactive. Neither will force join the other. There is simply no setting to correct the issue of two players being inactive in a tournament. The only thing to end that is the 100 day deletion.

That is why I came up with the other idea (2nd paragraph) about an auto-force join setting.

I didn't say I think his perception is that I am a selfish person. I was simply pointing out that my track record is that of helping the site, not suggesting things that only help me. I still don't think my stance on this matter in particular is selfish at all. In fact, it serves the greater good. Hundreds of people are impacted in tournaments by this issue (games that never start). I don't think it is selfish at all to want to change that for the better.

Edited 10/23/2013 14:01:59

At this time, 152 days and 8 hours. First tournament I ever joined on WL and it's still going on.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4108501

Chris, you think fixxer knows your track record? Why would he?

Oh because you're self centered.

Edited 10/23/2013 14:14:11

Chris. I think Force join uses autoboot time to "Auto Force join" players...

http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Force_join

So that leaves just problem of tournaments with no autoboot.

@Noob-

Haha, that is crazy. September 2010 that tournament was started. Some of the players still in that are only level 2 also, which means they are probably inactive too (future rounds will be subject to this issue). But, that tournament would be solved with auto-boot on.

@Mirror-

That does not solve it. Force join is a manual action done by a player in the game lobby. If it is not done manually (both players are inactive), it will never be done automatically.

And as in present version you get notice, that tournament has no autoboot. It is probably creator choice, that no autoboot is on.

I personally avoid such tournaments.


So i think this is just misunderstanding and we can all leave it :)