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abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 06:13:16


♆-Apollwnas-♆
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Hi, is there anything that we can do about a tournament with auto boot OFF and abandoned players? The tournament created at September of 2012. The manual boot from the opponent can`t happen because the game is between the 3 players who have abandon the game. Even the "we are waiting for this player to submit orders" starts over since we waiting for him more than a year.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 09:18:33

Fizzer 
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The Abandoned Games system will eventually boot them. See http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Abandoned_games
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 14:47:29


ChrisCMU 
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101 days is too much IMO. In a tournament that could hold it up years (because when that game finally gets resolved someone else will be inactive). IMO it should be 30 days, that is plenty.

I also think tournaments need to be deleted if not started after a certain period (that can be longer like 100 days). Otherwise you just get a bunch of inactive people in there anyway, and that feeds into the issue Apollwnas has.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 14:57:32


Pink 
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it wouldnt be all that fair to make it much lower
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 15:42:46


ChrisCMU 
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Why not, what is the danger? It still gives them a two week warning to get their act together.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 15:45:42

Fizzer 
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WarLight is all about choice. If you don't want to play in tournaments that can go this long, you should create/join tournaments with a reasonable auto boot.

But your argument is that you want to *take away* the ability for other people to play longer games. When you put it in that light, I hope you see how selfish this argument is. Not everyone plays WarLight in the same way you do - imagine a family playing a game together where one member of the family isn't able to take their turn for a while. Perhaps everyone in the family is fully willing to wait for them. Your argument is that WarLight shouldn't let them wait, and instead should force the game to end at 30 days? That goes against WarLight's philosophy of letting people play how they want.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 16:05:38


Timinator • apex 
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Worst case, the boot could happen as late as 129 days.


http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=1977596

Booted after 142 days 18 hours / 159 days 17 hours.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 16:12:54

Fizzer 
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I think there were some bugs with it in the past that delayed it. That game is from last year. I believe it's working correctly now.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 19:40:34


Wenyun 
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Perhaps tournament games could be on a 30-day boot schedule while non-tournament games have an 100-day boot? Or, perhaps tournaments of a certain size or greater (32 players+? 64 players+?) should have a lower booting time? I doubt there's an open-seat tournament with hundreds of players that are all patient enough to wait 100 days.

All in all, I am fine with small tournaments - and individual games - taking up 100 days before they're abandoned, but bigger tournaments - especially ones that have been rotting in the Open Tournaments page - should not receive the same treatment.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 19:49:54

NewWorldOrder
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just make that 100 day boot thing adjustable if its not already that way no one can complain when they make it themselves -.-

Edited 10/22/2013 19:50:15
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/22/2013 19:57:43


Pink 
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the 100 days thing is somethign which comes in the lack of an auto-boot time, it is an adjustement to flawed settings, not the typical settings, as such no typical timing may be found
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 13:16:33


ChrisCMU 
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Well, I have also advocated that auto boot be the standard (so people would need to turn it off). But even if that were the case, it doesn't solve the issue of both people being inactive in a tournament. There are NO settings that can fix that, outside changing the 100 day deletion of a game.

This goes directly to Fizzer's point. He says "If you don't want to play in tournaments that can go this long, you should create/join tournaments with a reasonable auto boot." Well, you can have a 3 day auto boot, but if if both players don't show up, there is nothing you can do about it but wait 100+ days for that game to resolve. Neither party is present to force join the other. This happens VERY often. Usually it will be resolved in the first round eventually, but when the first round gets delayed for 4 months, other people go inactive. The chances lesson every round, but it still creates a ton of problems and ruin tournaments.

Perhaps an alternative solution is an auto-force join? Obviously not the length of auto-boot, it would need to be something more like 30 days. That way if people want to play without auto-boot in a relaxed fashion, it will at least make people join but not delete the game for 100+ days on inactivity. So if there was an auto-boot, the game would be resolved in 33-35 days most likely (with 3-5 day auto-boot) if neither party bothers to show up.

I also take offense to being called selfish. I have been VERY active on uservoice trying to improve the game. I have beta tested apps and given good feedback. I have helped many people on here with map making, and made several of my own. I am working hard on some CLOTs. I have helped players get better as well. Sometimes I can be a little critical of things that I think could really use a fix/tweak, but overall I think I am a VERY positive contributor to this site and game.

Edited 10/23/2013 13:19:44
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 13:35:09

Jehovah 
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he didnt say you were a selfish person is general, just that your argument was a bit selfish, which is sort of true, since some people may like longer game. Like Fizzer said, you can always just read settings b4 you join, make sure there is auto boot.

anyway, chill, chill...
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 13:58:01


ChrisCMU 
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Did you read my post though? Auto-boot does not solve the issue of two people being inactive. Neither will force join the other. There is simply no setting to correct the issue of two players being inactive in a tournament. The only thing to end that is the 100 day deletion.

That is why I came up with the other idea (2nd paragraph) about an auto-force join setting.

I didn't say I think his perception is that I am a selfish person. I was simply pointing out that my track record is that of helping the site, not suggesting things that only help me. I still don't think my stance on this matter in particular is selfish at all. In fact, it serves the greater good. Hundreds of people are impacted in tournaments by this issue (games that never start). I don't think it is selfish at all to want to change that for the better.

Edited 10/23/2013 14:01:59
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:10:52


NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 
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At this time, 152 days and 8 hours. First tournament I ever joined on WL and it's still going on.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4108501
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:13:46


professor dead piggy 
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Chris, you think fixxer knows your track record? Why would he?

Oh because you're self centered.

Edited 10/23/2013 14:14:11
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:31:27


Mirror 
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Chris. I think Force join uses autoboot time to "Auto Force join" players...

http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Force_join

So that leaves just problem of tournaments with no autoboot.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:35:25


ChrisCMU 
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@Noob-

Haha, that is crazy. September 2010 that tournament was started. Some of the players still in that are only level 2 also, which means they are probably inactive too (future rounds will be subject to this issue). But, that tournament would be solved with auto-boot on.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:36:31


ChrisCMU 
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@Mirror-

That does not solve it. Force join is a manual action done by a player in the game lobby. If it is not done manually (both players are inactive), it will never be done automatically.
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:38:09


Mirror 
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And as in present version you get notice, that tournament has no autoboot. It is probably creator choice, that no autoboot is on.

I personally avoid such tournaments.


So i think this is just misunderstanding and we can all leave it :)
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:39:40


Mirror 
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Don't think so

"If Auto Boot is enabled, the force join will happen automatically when the Auto Boot time is reached"

of course only, if this statment in wiki is true

Edited 10/23/2013 14:47:51
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/23/2013 14:49:15


ChrisCMU 
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Hmm, if that is the case, it must have changed recently. It did not used to be that way.

I am trying to find an example, but there is one I am in where someone started creating chat games with all held up games, sending mail, etc to try and get people to force join other players so the games would be resolved. It doesn't work because tons of players are inactive now and won't respond to chat games or mail either.

I think it has finished now because of that change in the system (auto-force join). That is probably why I cannot find it.

I withdraw my suggestion. I already decline all tournaments without auto-boot now, so that solves all my issues.

Why has that game in Noob's tournament been held up that long though?

Edited 10/23/2013 14:59:46
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/25/2013 14:45:42


♆-Apollwnas-♆
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Hello again, 100 or 200 days is ok to wait someone but i must inform you that the waiting time is more than 6 months but i notice that the counting time is start from zero. and now says "waiting for 68 days" I suppose after the update the counting start again from day 1? There are also tournaments that there's no waiting time because the payers does not have join. In that case, the 101 days boot will work? because i`m sure that we wait those players to join almost from last Christmas.

Edited 10/25/2013 16:13:27
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/26/2013 01:39:52


Cheery Dog
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Can you link the game in question?
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/30/2013 21:57:06


♆-Apollwnas-♆
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abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 10/31/2013 02:05:04


Cheery Dog
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I'd assume from what I'm looking at, the one game that has had, they inactive player got forced joined at 58 days by the other player.

It should kick in after it reaches the waiting 100 days.

and if you go through other completed games, i think you can see that it does force join after the 100 day waiting time.
So that would mean you need to wait two lots of the 100 days for each game to complete.
(if you look at the settings of each game, you can see when they actually started and work out how much longer you're looking at waiting according)
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 11/5/2013 06:40:06


Perrin3088 
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I was under the understanding that the forcejoin worked under the same concept as direct/autoboot. so a autoboot of 3 days would mean an auto-join at 3 days... sadly, I haven't tested it as of yet, but I will
abandoned tournaments without auto boot: 11/5/2013 06:57:20


Perrin3088 
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http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=7330

autoboot will incite an auto-join..

I agree with auto-boot should be a default option however...
just like I hate how transfer only/attack only are no longer default options :S
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