The worker is not the most important in either socialism or fascism, it's a talking point yes, but in practice and truth it's really the state that's most important. The workers are indoctrinated and forced to believe that government is effectively god in both, and the workers do not tell the government what to do, the government tells them what to do.

Stalin is not indicative of socialism as a whole. After him, socialism across the world took a turn for the worse.
The cult of personality around him and the state was not a part of socialism in the beginning.
Also, the reason I keep bringing up Stalin is that his term brought many of these aspects to socialism and spread this form (Stalinism) to many socialist countries.

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Socialism always teaches the cult of the state, from 1917 to now. Without the cult of the state, it will fall to instability.

Socialism always teaches the cult of the state, from 1917 to now. Without the cult of the state, it will fall to instability.

According to Lenin and Marx, that's the point of socialism- for the government to slowly lose power until it degrades into communism.

It's essentially trying to give power to the government so they grow weaker, it can't work. If you're anarchist, power to you, but growing the government to shrink it is impossible. The Cult of the State grows with government power, you lose your power to stop it when you start giving it more power.

Being nationalist and socialist is impossible, you can't trully be both at once without being a hypocrite. The more socialist one is, the less nationalist he will be as a consequence and vice and versa. Sure, you can mix some aspects of each, but you can't truly be both.

Well, it depends how strict you mean :)

For example I prefer left wing policies I'd describe as socialism, but is more commonly known as democratic-socialism, or social-democrat views. Regardless, I also have some nationalistic views. I am not a nationalist (being a nationalist implies I blindly think everything to do with my country is good: i disagree and agree that Scotland have done bad things, like were terrible colonially, the fact Glasgow is built off of slavery, has roots in American white supremacism like CSA and KKK. And some view trapping Farage in a bar as bad, but I think it was smart and applaud those who did it), but my natiolistic views will cease to exist when the purpose of my nationalistic views (Scottish independence) is fulfilled. Until then, I agree with a lot of "SNP" policies, and the "National" part of that is true with me.

A nationalist country on the other hand has a government where the people, the culture and sometimes the religion/ethnicity of the country is put ahead of everything.

Nationalism just means anything pertaining to a nation, which is defined as a group of people who have something in common.

This doesn't even have to be a natural characteristic such as race, religion, or culture. It can be a made up characteristic called "National Identity" which essentially means that all people living in a country are part of that nation.

These ideas of nationhood can be radically different. For example, There is a whole left-right spectrum within nationalism.

Practically every single country in the post imperial era is also a nation. The dominant form of nationalism today is one that contrasts with said imperialism, that is that every person within a country should be treated equally, and that a government must be democratically chosen to be legitimate. There is nothing inherently bad about these ideas, and they do not entail supremacism, as you seem to be implying.

Socialism just means any idea that entails common ownership.

These ideas also vary wildly, from national socialsm (commonly referred to as nazism), to marxism-lenninism (commonly called "communism"), the mortal enemy of national socialism. One thing they all tend to share is being hostile towards christianity, which is why I don't like them.

There isn't anything conflicting in these ideas, as they are essentially completely separate ranges of ideas.

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