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The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 19:11:28


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Welcome to Turn 8 of The Impaller versus The World, a game that everyone gets to participate in! For more information about the game, view this blog post.

The winning item from last time was number 6. Deploy 14 to Argentina and 1 to Svalbard. Play Order Priority. Transfer 4 to Argentina. Attack Danmark Havn with 4. Transfer 1 from Norway to Svalbard. Transfer 2 from Sweden to Norway.

Here's what we did:

Here's the outcome:

  • The World plays an order priority card

  • The World: Deploy 14 to Argentina

  • The Impaller: Deploy 4 to Venezuela

  • The Impaller: Deploy 8 to Colombia

  • The World: Deploy 1 to Svalbard

  • The World: 4 armies transferred to Argentina from Brazil

  • The Impaller: 21 armies failed to take Argentina from Colombia. 13 attacking armies killed, 13 defending armies killed.

  • The World: 4 armies captured Danmark Havn from Svalbard. 2 attacking armies killed, 2 defending armies killed.

  • The World: 1 army transferred to Svalbard from Norway

  • The Impaller: 2 armies captured Cuba from Venezuela. 0 attacking armies killed, 1 defending armies killed.

  • The Impaller: 2 armies captured Brazil from Venezuela. 1 attacking armies killed, 1 defending armies killed.

  • The World: 2 armies transferred to Norway from Sweden

  • The World received a reinforcement card and still has a blockade card. 3/5 delay, 2/6 pri, 8/19 blockade.

Here are our options:

  1. Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and protect Antarctica. Begin moving towards taking the Greenland bonus.
    -Play reinforcement card. Deploy 7 to Danmark Havn and 13 to Argentina. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 4. Attack Itseqqortoormiit with 4. Transfer 1 to to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard.

  2. Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and protect Antarctica. Begin slowly taking the rest of the Greenland bonus. Move into Africa to border East Africa.
    -Play reinforcement card. Deploy 4 to Novolazerevskaya, 3 to Danmark Havn and 13 to Argentina. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 4. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack South Africa with 4.

  3. Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and protect Antarctica. Continue taking the Greenland bonus, relying on some luck.
    -Play reinforcement card. Deploy 5 to Danmark Havn and 15 to Argentina. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 3. Attack Itseqqortoormiit with 3. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer to 1 Svalbard.

  4. Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and protect Antarctica. Continue to slowly take the Greenland bonus. Move towards India.
    -Play reinforcement card. Deploy 4 to Ufa, 3 to Danmark Havn and 13 to Argentina. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 4. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack Eastern Kazakhstan with 4.

  5. Goal: Save reinforcement card for next turn's attack on East Africa if Impaller is found to occupy that bonus. Move into Africa in force. Deny the total removal of our forces from Central America.
    -Deploy 4 to Argentina. Deploy 1 to Mexico. Deploy 10 to Novolazerevskaya. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack South Africa with 10.

  6. Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and protect Antarctica. Continue slowly taking the Greenland bonus. Move into Africa and Australia.
    -Play reinforcement card. Deploy 2 to Danmark Havn, 4 to Novolazerevskaya, 4 to Scott and 10 to Argentina. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 3. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack Tasmania with 4. Attack South Africa with 4.

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You should interpret the stars as follows:

  • 0 Stars means "I don't care" or "I'm indifferent to this item."

  • 1 Star means "I'm positive we should not do this."

  • 2 Stars means "I don't think we should do this."

  • 3 Stars means "Maybe we should do this."

  • 4 Stars means "I think we should do this."

  • 5 Stars means "I'm positive this is what we should do."

Use this thread to discuss strategy. Feel free to suggest new options and if there's enough demand, I'll add them for voting. Have votes in before the end of the day Monday and check back Tuesday for the next turn!

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 20:17:01


Troll 
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Voting will go until the end of the day on Tuesday, not Monday.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 20:18:21

Dr. TypeSomething 
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I'm curious why people think he took Cuba. It seems odd to me. I guess he was concerned that he would get South America but we would be able to retake it via Cuba? But if that were the case, shouldn't he take Panama as well? Maybe just for the card piece?

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 21:49:17


Ruthless 
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i believe he took cuba because now he has an untouchable piece of land in SA, so if we wanted to take him out in SA, we don't have the option.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 22:04:01

Fizzer 
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He may have just been trying to ensure he got a card by sending 2 to Brazil and 2 to Cuba, assuming we'd probably leave one of then undefended.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 22:47:03

bostonfred 
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He took Brazil with two, when we had 5 armies there to start the turn, so he expected it to be empty at the end of the turn. From his perspective, we could have gone to Africa, reinforced Argentina, or attacked him. He put enough armies there to prevent an attack from our five army brazil from working, and then with two late moves, sent two each into two territories. It's a multipurpose move.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/3/2011 23:24:16


Daryl
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We should look at gradually taking South Africa

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 00:28:56


devilnis 
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I like 3 the best, but I think it's a mistake to go into Eastern Kazakhstan when the path via Georgia and Iran is just as fast, and Iran is in my experience far more strategically important than anything in the caucasus, not to mention closer to the equally important egypt.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 01:50:41


Doushibag 
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Yeah, you guys should totally go Georgia - Iran, that'll work!

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 07:40:44


Duke 
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I like this board a hell of a lot better. We got an income edge and the card and superior position.

I was hoping Imp would hit argentina with less so we'd get a better result.

BTW - In addition to the other reasons cited -- Imp's real intent is to take SA. It's the been the bonus in play since the start and Imp has deployed 100% of his income to hold his blocks and try and take it every turn since the start. He loses if we get it and reverses position if he takes it. Which is why I keep voting against squandering resources on ventures elsewhere on the map.

Without looking at the options my thought is that we can afford to set a good block in Argentina and make another move elsewhere this turn. I like heading south in Greenland or going for South America -- but not both. Because if we go to SA we'll be putting all our income there for the next few turns anyway so why not use the extra 3 there this turn. Also waiting to expand in Greenland gives us time to slide the extra 3 in Scan there.

First question is what's the block? Does Imp have a card? Without a card we need at least 17, with a card we need 21. Anybody know if he gets one this turn (I think he missed 2 card pieces along the way).

If it's 17, then we can send 8 at South Africa. If it's 21 we can send 4. One or the other is what I think is the best option. Since I think he doesn't have one I like:

Deploy 11 argentina and 8 Antartica, Advance the 1 and 2 in Scan and then Attack South Africa with 8.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 07:46:34


Duke 
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7 Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and attack South Africa. Play reinforcement card. Deploy 8 to Novolazerevskaya, and 11 to Argentina. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack South Africa with 8.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 08:09:32


[中国阳朔]Chaos 
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I would put 3 in Danmark h. and attack Itseqq. to get a card, deploy rest in Argentina. do both transfers too.

attacking S. Africa is also viable but i prefer putting most resources in Argentina

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 08:18:57


[中国阳朔]Chaos 
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another idea is to try to deny him another card, reinforcing Mexico (2), panama (5), danmark for card (3) and rest in argentina.

Duke u can use 1 more to deploy, u used only 19

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 20:16:33


Troll 
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Duke, add in another army to bring it to 20 and I'll add it to Snappyvote.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 20:17:15


Troll 
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Also, devilnis, Iran has a wasteland in it.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/4/2011 22:13:14


devilnis 
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Ahh yes that would make that a bad idea then.. I admit, this is the only turn I looked at, and I suck at 1v1 so you probably shouldn't listen to my fail advice anyways...

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/5/2011 22:55:58


Kleyton Manning 
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@TypeSomething - He took it for the card piece if I had to guess.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/6/2011 15:10:15


Duke 
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Duke 7 Goal: Maintain presence in South America (Argentina) and attack South Africa. Play reinforcement card. Deploy 4 to Novolazerevskaya, and 15 to Argentina. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack South Africa with 4.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/6/2011 15:12:06


Duke 
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Based on feedback I boosted SA to 21 and made it just 4 into SA. If he's in EA, we won't have an enough to be sure of the bust, but we have less downside if he's not in EA.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/6/2011 16:05:58

bostonfred 
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Let's say he's in east africa. What does next turn look like, duke? I don't think I like this plan at all.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/6/2011 19:44:30


Troll 
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Added #7 per Duke's request.

bostonfred, what would you do this turn, and why?

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 13:42:16


Duke 
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As I posted above. I'm fine with either of the top 2 choices. Either #1 or #7 make a lot of sense. Going for Greenland is less aggressive and may be the better move (certainly if he's not in EA). What I liked about #7 is that it keeps Imp responding to us rather than giving him a "free" turn to try a move elsewhere. So long as we know where his income is going I feel in control of the game.

Having said that, I still think #1 is a perfectly sound move.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 14:47:17

bostonfred 
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I like option five - save the card, defend argentina, attack south africa, move our armies further into position in greenland. I don't think he will stack up on argentina this turn, because he just found out we have more income than he does. But I want to avoid the loss of Argentina, so I put a little more into that action.

Attacking with nine into south america gives us enough that he may clang off of it if he tries attacking there first. It's possible he says, ok, the road through argentina's closed, let's try the road through south africa. Personally, I use the order priority card - it's guaranteed to be the first move, since there's no reason to think impaller will use his. If he attacks south africa with 12, we prevent his attack.

The disaster case is that he attacks argentina with 20, and is not in east africa. Then we have our reinforcement card and an income advantage to block him if we want, while we take east africa and greenland.

But I might go with option eight:
- Use the reinforcement card
- Add seven armies in Greenland
- Add eleven to antarctica

- Add two to Central America

  • Use order priority to attack South Africa with first move
  • Transfer all from Argentina to Brazil with second move
  • Attack both Greenlands
  • Move other northern armies into position
  • Attack south america from central america on last move (to maintain a presence)

The disaster case is that he 1) attacks Argentina with everything on his first move, and 2) is in indo/india, not east africa. Re: 1, I think it's unlikely Impaller does that again. I'm not even convinced he'll attack Argentina at all. We deployed 14 on turn 7, so we can't have a second card yet. So he knows he's behind on income, and may crash into a wall. If he attacks south africa in force, he'll be able to break antarctica, which is probably his fastest route to catch up on income. Re: 2, I'd love to work africa and greenland while attacking indo via australia. Easy $.

So we move out of his way, and go with the toro play. Go ahead and take Argentina, Impaller, if you even try. Next turn, while you break Antarctica, we'll break east africa, or take Greenland as a boobie prize.

Personally, I think he's going to go with the card piece move (2 on 1 in mex, 2 on 1 in central) and he may try to take out brazil. He doesnt have enough room to expand into unobordered bonuses right now, and he's behind on income. South America seems like a road to surrender for him, australia has two borders with antarctica, and his other options mostly suck. Let's eliminate his best roads to recovery.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 16:49:29


Troll 
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bostonfred, I'm trying to add your #8, but need some clarification:

Does "Transfer all from Argentina to Brazil with second move" mean "attack Brazil with 5"? We don't currently control Brazil.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 17:14:20

bostonfred 
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Yes, but you don't have to add my option to the vote - it's already Tuesday.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 17:33:26


Troll 
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Added #8:

Play reinforcement card. Deploy 7 to Danmark Havn, 11 to Novolazerevskaya and 2 to Panama. Use Order Priority card. Attack Brazil with 5. Attack Itseqqortoormiit with 4. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 4. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack Colombia with 2.

Lots of people wait until the last day to vote; there are still approximately 13.5 hours left to vote!

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 17:49:48


Duke 
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We need more votes -- right now anybody who votes for 1 7 or 8 willd ecide the outcome.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 18:54:26

bostonfred 
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The first move (the one with the order priority) is supposed to be to attack south africa.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 19:34:09


Troll 
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Fixed:

8: Play reinforcement card. Deploy 7 to Danmark Havn, 11 to Novolazerevskaya and 2 to Panama. Use Order Priority card. Attack South Africa with 11. Attack Brazil with 5. Attack Itseqqortoormiit with 4. Attack Kangerlussuaq with 4. Transfer 1 to Danmark Havn. Transfer 2 to Svalbard. Attack Colombia with 2.

The Impaller versus The World: Turn 8: 6/7/2011 20:57:19

bostonfred 
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thanks Troll

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