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Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 13:12:37

Rience
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Hello
Free account can't add more than 6 players to game, I think it is not fair to do that, I was playing here before all this membership it was good. I play with 2 or 3 friends and, I can't create balanced teams when all of us are playing. I know you create great game and you want to earn but I live in Poland 30 $ is very big price, normal new games don't cost such moneys, here is my proposal:
Normal users can invite 6 persons but "open slot"s doesn't count.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 13:22:40


NecessaryEagle 
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30$ for most people isn't a big deal. you can always get a member to make the game for you, I have helped out many free-users that way. If you want me to make you a few games then Invite me to a game so we can chat.

by the way, we've thade this debate over and over and it always ends the same, if you dont want to pay that's up to you, the price is fair for the product.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 13:34:30


x 
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My heart cries for the poor people in Poland, playing free games on the internet with incredibly slight limitations.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 14:04:40


Diabolicus 
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They really do earn less than the EU-average in Poland, so I can see why they consider 30$ a high price for this game.
[Link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_net_average_wage)

But then 30$ or 85 zloty is not that astronomically expensive either ... drink a bottle of vodka less and you are almost there :-)
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 14:16:48


protagoras007 
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Are you kidding me: "not fair"?! I suppose you have a right to play WL, huh? Sheesh...I'm sure Randy appreciates that thank you note you sent him for creating an awesome, free game.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 14:36:59

Rience
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85 złotych is a god price? Vodka cost here 18 zł for 0,5l. It isn't good price for browse game.(you can add add's 1 add will make more money than half of premium users)
By the way this is the worst restriction what you can do. Bcs of it you lose few old players.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 14:46:14


x 
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Hilarious.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 15:05:45


Ruthless 
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You also realize that Randy raised the invite limit from 5 to 6 in the beginning so that people could still do 3v3. But still, if you like the game so much, contribute to it so you can see it grow. Without revenue the game just dies and no new features get implemented. If Randy keeps giving the non-members less and less restrictions and more features, then the paying members are essentially losing out on one of the reasons we paid. Also, he's doing a bunch of us a favor (the ones that have been playing pre-membership times) by giving us the option of a lifetime membership. I think that within the next 2 years, that offer will most likely go away and people will have to settle for a different pay model of by month or something.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 18:27:00

Rience
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But I said it: this one privilege, and one advertisement. It will make more money in my opinion. And 1 advertisement will be less disturbing than 6-person game make limit.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 19:23:06


x 
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That's your opinion, keep it to yourself. Clearly you're alone on this one. If there really was a problem, he would have to change the way it works, as people would stop using the site and wouldn't pay for membership. But that's obviously not happening.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 19:28:00


NoZone 
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Possibly several of you could pool $ together so that one of you has a membership and then create games with more slots?
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 19:51:39

The Impaller 
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I actually disagree with the general tone of this thread. I feel like airing out disappointments and complaints isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as they come with some kind of constructive approach for improvement. Agree or not, he at least provided a proposal for what he thought changes should be. I don't think it's a healthy environment if anytime someone wants to dispute the status quo they get immediately shot down by a bunch of people.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 20:07:49


NecessaryEagle 
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Yeah, feel free to air your oppinions, but as I said, this is about the 50th thread on the subject, and we've had this argument before, and Randy's opinion seems clear on the subject.

watch the movie "The Social Network", add's aren't cool. cool sells.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/23/2011 20:10:36


x 
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I don't think so. In theory you're right, but Rience is just stating what he wants, without backing it up with an argument. It's also a very trivial issue.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/24/2011 07:04:15


Diabolicus 
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18zloty per 0,5L? Rience, stop drinking that cheap booze :-)

No serious: I can see where you are coming from, judging by the figures of the link I provided, the game is ~4 times more expensive for you than it is for me. So to put that in perspective: that would be equivalent to 80€ (120$) for me instead of 20€ (30$) ... indeed a high price for a browser game.

But:
a) you get a **lifetime** membership for it
b) if you really spend that much time playing this game, it should be worth the money
c) as someone else already suggested: if the 4 friends of you bought 1 membership together you could create all the games you want
d) you can always ask a member to create a game for you - in fact: put a thread on the forum with the settings you want and I or whoever reads it first will do it, no problem
e) you are sadly mistaken about the revenues of online advertisement ... one ad won't cut it, not by a longshot
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/24/2011 07:27:49


Perrin3088 
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Fable Gives a player say 30 hours of entertainment on average.. *any of them* and cost you 50$ USD.. * I don't know Polish prices of games but let's assume it's 50 as well* so let's presume that 50zloty is equal to 30 hours of entertainment.. that's 0.6 hours/zloty, that means 85zloty would be equal to 51 hours of enjoyment..
that would mean if you Riece, had averaged just over an hour in a half a game, with your 78 games, you would have already effectively received the entertainment from this game that would be equal to what buying a game would give you..

and 78 games is really very few for people that are into this game..
Understandably, for Polish it is more to consider, and I may be pulling prices out of my arse, I admit, I am not in Poland so I don't know precisely..

And there is much more I could say.. but It's been said many times in many other posts...

Fizzer posted in the blog his reasonings for why he did what he did.. if you're going to complain.. complain on that blog, Imho.
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/24/2011 16:29:20


Matma Rex 
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> * I don't know Polish prices of games but let's assume it's 50 as well*

New games are *always* above 100 złoty - that's basically the minimal price. Fable III I have just found here[1] for 130 złoty, and it says they have a promotion and the regular price is 200.

Even The Witcher II (which is $50 on Amazon as well) costs 95 / 120 zł[2], and well, that game was developed by a Polish company and (I think) in Poland.


To summarize - basically, "international" stuff costs here almost exactly as much as it "should" by currency conversions (Google says $1 is currently 2.80 złoty) or a bit more. However, Poles earn a lot less than, say, Americans - simplifying, around 4 times less.

Just take a look at this table: [3] - the first list is minimum wages in several countries as of July 2010, the next (the colorful one) is hourly wage, monthly wage and the Big Mac Index[4].



[1] http://merlin.pl/Fable-III_Microsoft/browse/product/8,906388.html
[2] http://merlin.pl/Wiedzmin-2-ZABOJCY-KROLOW_CDProjekt/browse/product/8,841796.html#fullinfo
[3] http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C5%82aca_minimalna&action=view#Przyk.C5.82ady_p.C5.82ac_minimalnych_w_wybranych_krajach_Europy_i_w_USA_.5B9.5D
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index


(Note: I'm just presenting the situation. I personally don't think that Randy should earn less (or even lose) just because somebody else earns less, and I don't have the membership mostly due to technical reasons.)
Adding more than 6 players to game: 5/24/2011 20:44:58


x 
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Warlight is a free game.
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