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Lottery games: 10/14/2013 20:47:16


[NL] Willem van Oranje
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I write this topic to the makers of warlight and to people who have an opinion to lotery games

The situation has changed lately, everyone can make his own games and some can make a game with 30 or more players?! I think this change has a huge influence because you need a lot players to join a game and that is were my irritation about lotery games begins.
At this moment, more than 30 multi day games are searching for players, 16 of them exist of very huge lotery games that requires more than 30 player (even 40 FFA games). a few players are creating 5-15 of these lotery games were each game requires at leat 30 players. And games I made won't be joined in time because players join all the different lotery games. (all those lotery games have at least 100 open seats, just ridiculous)

I propose to set a limit to the games you can create at the same time. If your game has enough players you can make another, so other players (who are creating games) will have more change to play there own game with open seats.

Maybe it is not advisible to have a rule that you can invite more than 24 players.

I would like your opion of this subject and I hope the rules will be adjusted
Lottery games: 10/14/2013 20:54:44

Hennns
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I propose to set a limit to the games you can create at the same time.
There`s already a limit like that, for Instance I can`t have more than 3 games with open seats at once.

just blacklist the people who create the lottery games, and you won`t see them anymore (I think).
that being said, I also think it`s ridiculous.
Lottery games: 10/14/2013 20:57:40


Kenny • apex 
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The only thing I find stupid is the fact they exist. Are you here to collect points, or play a strategy game?
Lottery games: 10/14/2013 21:10:02

Widzisz • apex 
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There is a limit. I think it's 3 for nonmembers, and 10 for members, am I right?

And only some people join lottery games. Each game, it's almost the same crew. Others simply can't bear to even look at those games, and they don't look at "open games" as often as they used to.

I proposed easier solution to this:
http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=13508

If this was implemented, you wouldn't see lottery games if you blacklist the creators of such games.
I would put it on the uservoice, but I have no votes left.

Edit: I was too slow :(

Hennns, unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. YET, I hope.

Edited 10/14/2013 21:11:53
Lottery games: 10/14/2013 21:17:00


[REGL] Firehawk 
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just blacklist the people who create the lottery games, and you won`t see them anymore (I think).
that being said, I also think it`s ridiculous.


I think that if the game creator has YOU blacklisted then you can't see their games. But yes I agree it would be nice if it did indeed work the other way around.
Lottery games: 10/14/2013 21:45:19


{101st}Hardzim
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I think that if the game creator has YOU blacklisted then you can't see their games. But yes I agree it would be nice if it did indeed work the other way around.

If you're reading this, please blacklist me, Weisblut...
Lottery games: 10/14/2013 21:47:00

Hennns
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There is a limit. I think it's 3 for nonmembers, and 10 for members, am I right?
yep, that`s right. I tested this :p

Well, that means if you get the people who create those lottery games to blacklist you, you won`t see them..I must say I also wish it worked the other way, it would be much easier.
Lottery games: 10/15/2013 10:28:17


ps 
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i share your pain but i still like to believe the folks who join those lottery games wouldnt be interested in real competitive strategic games anyways. would be cool to be able to filter out certain maps from popping up on my open games though.
Lottery games: 10/15/2013 10:37:41


Krzysztof 
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The only thing I find stupid is the fact they exist. Are you here to collect points, or play a strategy game


You should be aware, that people need that points to use some features, and playing lottery games seems the shortest way to get higher level. Some people will pay 30 bucks for membership to play ladder, others may prefer to spend time playing silly games. I don't see anything stupid in this(unless getting the highest level as possible is the goal itself)
Lottery games: 10/15/2013 20:42:05


[NL] Willem van Oranje
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making those lotery games is conteminating the game itself, go to a casino if you want to win the lotery. I thought this was a strategy game but 40%-55% of the Multi day games consist of lotery games. To achieve a higher level to have almost Member features as fast as possible don't make this game worth playing, it's just abusing the legally rules to become a member for free. It's not the goal and your profile that makes this game fun but just the way you achieve things will make it a fun game. Some people forget that.
Lottery games: 10/15/2013 21:03:09


Krzysztof 
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making those lotery games is conteminating the game itself, go to a casino if you want to win the lotery.


No, it isn't. Don't like it - don't play it. That's far better solution than sending to casino people, who don't seek gambling but want to level up in warlight to gain access to new featuers


To achieve a higher level to have almost Member features as fast as possible don't make this game worth playing, it's just abusing the legally rules to become a member for free.


It's up to Fizzer to set the rules, and he decided to allow players who reach level 48 to access ladder. If they'll get to this level without cheating there's no abusing at all.


It's not the goal and your profile that makes this game fun but just the way you achieve things will make it a fun game. Some people forget that.

Some people likes competitiveness(ladder), others like games with local deployement or 40 players FFA. That's what make fun for them - not the way to get access to this feature, but simply playing game with it. So they choose the shortest path(lottery games) and they have full rights to do so. Why do you want to decide what make fun to the others?
Lottery games: 10/16/2013 00:00:44

Widzisz • apex 
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It's up to Fizzer to set the rules

Lottery games are bad. Should be forbidden if you ask me. Or at least give like 1-5% of points if the game have changed bonuses, or something, like it is for games with changed kill rates. I still don't get it why it's not like that. I hope it will.

Why lottery games are bad?

Levels are hard to earn. At least should be. Because points should represent something. That's why you get more points for games that are harder, why the point multiplier varies in real-time / multi-day games, or in tournaments and ladders. Fizzer tried to adjust the points gained according to the effort, time spend, game difficulty...

Lottery games are an exception to that. Require no thinking, little time, there is no difficulty. It makes levels and points completely meaningless.


making those lotery games is conteminating the game itself

No, it isn't. Don't like it - don't play it.

Check how many people complain about "Open games" being littered with lottery games, and think about the results.
People are discouraged to create games, or even look there.
And others, that think lottery games are ok, instead of creating normal games, will simply copy the idea, making more and more shitty games. It's like an avalanche... avalanche of shit.
So, in short, I expect to see more "lottery games", and fewer "normal games" in the "Open games".
Think about newcomers, yeah, they will surely love it.

people need that points to use some features

Poor people, they need to play so many games! They should get all the features at level 3 !
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New features are rewards!
You make it sound like you should have them, but bad Fizzer didn't let you until you are certain level. So it's ok to play hundreds of lottery games to get what you want.
I thought points / levels / rewards are here to encourage people to play more, not to exploit the loopholes in the rules.

So they choose the shortest path and they have full rights to do so

I really hope you don't believe in this rule in your real life.
Lottery games: 10/16/2013 10:33:01


Krzysztof 
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So they choose the shortest path and they have full rights to do so

I really hope you don't believe in this rule in your real life.

Why so? Let's imagine i'm hungry and have to go to grocery and buy something to eat. Would you advise me to do it on one leg because it's fun? I really hope you are not creating unnecessary obstacles in your life.


Poor people, they need to play so many games! They should get all the features at level 3 !

Looks like poor people came here to complain about lobby filled by games
they dislike.
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New features are rewards!
You make it sound like you should have them, but bad Fizzer didn't let you until you are certain level. So it's ok to play hundreds of lottery games to get what you want.
I thought points / levels / rewards are here to encourage people to play more, not to exploit the loopholes in the rules.


Fizzer decided you need certain levels for certain features. And he also defined how you can earn those levels. So, yes it's ok to play lottery games to get what you want. You can call it loophole, but realize people don't really need to know what was his intention and why he implemented levels system. They just follow the rules to get what they want. If Fizzer don't want them to do so he should simply change the rules or system.

And newcomers? People who play warlight are not stupid. Someone who come here to play strategic game won't change his mind only because there are a lot of people who plays lottery. Spammed lobby can be discouraging(this problem can be easily solved as you described), but isn't forcing people to play games they don't like(before they will be allowed to play what they like) discouraging as well?
Lottery games: 10/16/2013 11:48:48


Perrin3088 
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Lottery games should require Practice mode.. 0% score. If you want to make levels, earn them... because of lottery games, you look at someone lvl 50+ and think they are just a bloody noob, rather than an experienced player.

Fizzer already disallows people manipulating the game to falsely earn points. I think lottery games should be required to be practice only, then maybe people would play the game, rather than farm.

and kszyhoo, if I was a newcomer coming here, and saw the open games as they look now, I would of left in short order.. it creates a hassle for real players, because a few dozen people want the easy route, rather than earning their keep.

Edited 10/16/2013 11:50:43
Lottery games: 10/16/2013 16:11:25

Widzisz • apex 
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Why so? Let's imagine i'm hungry and have to go to grocery and buy something to eat. Would you advise me to do it on one leg because it's fun? I really hope you are not creating unnecessary obstacles in your life.

I never said I'm a fan of creating obstacles. I might phrased it bad, using shortest path is not bad itself, but shortest / easiest ways quite often are a bit fishy. Like it is in this case for me.

Looks like poor people came here to complain about lobby filled by games
they dislike.
...

I'm complaining about the fact that those games give you points for nothing. Because I doubt anyone would play them if they give 0 points. Once they do, I won't complain anymore.

Fizzer decided you need certain levels for certain features. And he also defined how you can earn those levels. So, yes it's ok to play lottery games to get what you want. You can call it loophole, but realize people don't really need to know what was his intention and why he implemented levels system. They just follow the rules to get what they want. If Fizzer don't want them to do so he should simply change the rules or system.

People that farm points don't know they exploit the system loopholes?? I'm pretty sure they do.
Just because it's not against the rules, doesn't mean it's a right thing to do.
Just because Fizzer seems to be ok with it, doesn't mean I should be too.

And newcomers? People who play warlight are not stupid. Someone who come here to play strategic game won't change his mind only because there are a lot of people who plays lottery. Spammed lobby can be discouraging(this problem can be easily solved as you described), but isn't forcing people to play games they don't like(before they will be allowed to play what they like) discouraging as well?

I completely disagree with this.

New people don't know what to do. They don't know there are games with high prerequisites, (they can't join them anyway) so they will assume most of the games are lottery games. And I wouldn't stay here in their shoes.

"problem can be easily solved"... It's not solved yet, and I would prefer the cause of that problem to be fixed.

It's not like I want to prevent you from playing the games you like. And level-system doesn't force you to play games you dislike. Don't tell me you had no games you liked before you reached certain level. And you can always join games with the settings you like.
Can't find such games in the lobby? Maybe partly because of lottery games?
Lottery games: 10/16/2013 20:35:04


[NL] Willem van Oranje
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Lotery games are just a bug invented by creators of lotery games.
But it isn't just a bug, it's a boring way to play a game, just to reach a level. I say boring because new players won't get a lot of fun with joining and lose or win the game in 1 turn. So it is a bug what will be the end of growing warlight players if this won't be solved. Even for players like me it's not fun to find a real game between all these lotery games and I'm not alone with this opinion.
For Members it isn't fair because they had to pay a lot of money to have some extra features, which now are easy available, just play lotery games. those features wil be very common this way and players and members have almost no different features.
Normal Multi day games do have starting problems due to the lotery games (requires a lot of open seats). I hope the situation (esspecially the lotery game bug) will be solved.
Lottery games: 10/17/2013 00:55:41


Hankofficer
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I'm not a hardcore player in Warlight. Playing lottery game appear to be best way for me to get these game settings features to play with my friends.

I'm not saying lottery games are good. But there is always a way to farm the points. Such free game settings in Warlight I believe you can hardly find a way to prevent easy farming. People will seek new easy ranked game settings despite lottery games are gone.

Actually I think spending times on a lot of real-time games could get fastest leveling. But I don't have time for that... And you don't always win a lottery game. You lose a lot! (You can look at my profile. xD) You are only leveling fast by joining a lot of lottery games.

In my opinion, the best solution is you can only get the points from Ladder, where levels mean something. :)
Lottery games: 11/7/2013 20:16:32


jonathan pietjes
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@ hankofficer that is an good idea but that would mean evrybody has to buy membership.

I totaly agree lottery games are stupid.
Lottery games: 11/8/2013 19:12:10

Wicked Ways
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'And newcomers? People who play warlight are not stupid."

I disagree.

Most of this games players are stupid.
Play some autogames, then watch the games and analyze them after they finish.

You will be scratching your head wondering what the hell they were thinking during most of their turns.

The average ladder player might not be stupid, but the average player is.
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