Unrelated note to the top at hand:

Higher teaching has become very corrupted from its true origins. You used to go to university if you really wanted to learn, if you really loved to learn, and innovate. Now, there are marks in higher schools? And it's practically a requirement for some jobs (it's not as if you can self-teach y'rself, y'know). Everyone who goes to university should only go to university only if they want or practically need to know something, not as requirement for anything.

If you don't want to go to higher school, don't go (ideally).

"Why socialism and capitalism don't mix"

Take a look at Scandinavia. Then, go to bed, close your eyes, and keep dreaming.

Take into account I said Scandinavia, but it applies, in any degree, in the whole Europe, and most of Occident. USA is still the weird one. I am not socialist (I'm progressive liberal) but USA needs urgent Socialism. Seriously. Stop fearing it, democratic socialists, as un most countries un the world, are not China or Venezuela. Democratic socialism is almost the same as progressive liberalism, nowadays.

Yes, send your countries into a deep hole of ruin from which it is hard to get out of. America is already too left.

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Yes, send your countries into a deep hole of ruin from which it is hard to get out of. America is already too left.

Yes, send your countries into a deep hole of ruin from which it is hard to get out of. America is already too left.
Can I just say Scandinavia?
Also, the US is too far left? wtf, man the US is the furthest right of any of the post-industrial nations, by your definition, being post-industrialized is a bad thing then.
Ok, you can enjoy your tribal villages.

Eh South Korea is pretty Conservative when you consider the Saenuri Party and the New Right, the latter being neoconservative. Also Israel is highly conservative when you consider parties such as Likud, Shas, The Jewish Home, Kulanu, and United Torah Judaism. Conservatism is not a distinctly American flavor, but its wrong I think to characterize America as the "most far-right" since its hard to quantify that.

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Valid point taken, but Israel and South Korea sort of happen to be in places where there is a constant threat of war, and generally speaking, the right prefers to fund the military, it is probably easy to convince them that they need more soldiers. But outside of those two, the US probably takes the Prize without discussion.

Tribal people don't have to worry about nuclear annhillation and world wars.

I'm not talking about foreign interventionism and militarism. The conservatism of Israel and South Korea is also socially conservative as well, especially the latter (although that is a cultural byproduct of being an East Asian country).

If you think Scandinavia is doing well, go look up all the issues there having.

If you really look into it, there hardly a nice place to be, unless, of course, your rich.

Can I just say Scandinavia?

After doing some research:

Sweden: In the late 1800s, started to become like a modern capitalist country - corporations, banks, but not so much of give the poor more drugs and monies. In the 1920s to 1930s, was a capitalist stronghold, and was one of the least affected countries by the Great Depression. Everyone was rich. In 1960, Sweden taxed less than most NATO did, but had the second highest income by head in the world. But then, in the 70s or so, the socialists began to do their ways. A crisis lasted in the 1970s until the 1990s. Sweden's growth was very much behind NATO, until they basically said enough is enough and greatly cut government spending. Then, Sweden grew much faster than the NATO countries, but now it is relatively going down again, with socialism's coming back. But now, what is Sweden's income by each head, 10th or something? Luckily, many Swedes are coming to their senses and want to push out the Bolsheviki. TLDR Sweden's always been rich, but less richer when the socialists were in power.

Norway: Was the same country as Sweden until 1905, when it peacefully gained independence. Norway actually did grow more when the red flags came (in the 1950s to 1960s), but this is mostly since the 1950s was when Norway first started exporting petroleum in big amounts. Today, if Norway lost all its funds from petrol and fish (both of which are in lowering), Norway's GDP by each head would be about like Romania or Gabon. Norway has done some wise things with its economy, too, though, and in some cases, innovates. Norway has began to push out the Soviets, too (though they are still going to be there for a while). TLDR: Fish and petrol.

Denmark: One of the most well-off countries since the 1600s. The first country to become agriculturally independent (that is, there became little corelation between bad harvest and deaths at the same time) in the early 1800s. No minimum wage by law. In the late 1800s, Denmark economically grew about as fast as Sweden - above average in Europe. It was a top market for foreign investment. Some socialist programmes in the 1900s curbed trade a bit, but it was not much. The Red-Flags laneded on Denmark in the late 1950s, though. They made many more socialist programmes, and Denmark then, like Sweden, decelerated in the 1970s. In the 1980s, the Democratic Socialists were kicked out of the National Gathering, and replaced by more moderate leftists, who fixed things a bit (no minimum wage, f.e.). It has basically stayed the same ever since. TLDR: Ditto Sweden, but poorer a bit.

Also, the US is too far left? wtf, man the US is the furthest right of any of the post-industrial nations, by your definition, being post-industrialized is a bad thing then.

Yeah, it's a shame that the NATO median is so communist that America is thought of as, well, America, the capitalist superpower. But actually, no, how do you get that? India, Russia have about the same tax rate, while Brazil and Nigeria have lower.

Ok, you can enjoy your tribal villages.

Tribal villages are the only site where communism works, so you can enjoy them more than me.

If you think Scandinavia is doing well, go look up all the issues there having.

If you really look into it, there hardly a nice place to be, unless, of course, your rich.

Scandinavia definitely has one of the highest living standards in the world. The experience is worse when you're rich, since you have to give 80% of your money away.

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Long live freedom, from taxes and the Leninists.

Yeah, it's a shame that the NATO median is so communist that America is thought of as, well, America, the capitalist superpower. But actually, no, how do you get that? India, Russia have about the same tax rate, while Brazil and Nigeria have lower.
Umm, Nigeria is not post-industrial, Brazil is post-industrial in certain locations, and not so in others. India is not post-industrial, and Russia is, but you could argue that its having a ideological reaction to Communism.

Ok, you can enjoy your tribal villages.


Tribal villages are the only site where communism works, so you can enjoy them more than me.

I meant that statement as sort of a living standards joke.

Alienation and bullshit, alienation and bullshit everywhere.

Umm, Nigeria is not post-industrial, Brazil is post-industrial in certain locations, and not so in others. India is not post-industrial, and Russia is, but you could argue that its having a ideological reaction to Communism.

What the hell does post-industrial mean, to you? It has had industrial revolution, all these countries. They're all in the top 10 most powerful countries.

Alienation and bullshit, alienation and bullshit everywhere.

I agree, the alien communists need to go back to their planet, the bull-poop socialists need to decay.

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Post-Industrial?
to me at least its a country advanced past the industrial revolution and into the information age, so A country where a good chunk of the skilled jobs are in things like Coding, Bio medical Engineering, etc. Basically all the new fancy stuff.

good chunk of the skilled jobs are in things like Coding, Bio medical Engineering, etc.

There are two funny things about this. One - a majority of American jobs that require a degree are not in coding or biomedical engineering. Two - we hand out H1B1 visas like candy to people in China and India so they can come code and be engineers for us for way less than what we pay native STEM workers. Both India and China are post-industrial.

They aren't post-industrial, as the production and exports of the state aren't post-industrial goods. Yes, we hand out a lot of Visas to get foreign talent, but that's that. The state they are coming from isn't post-industrial, as otherwise we would have to pay them a lot more. There's a reason they are cheaper.

Ok, you weren't too clear (just about every country has had its industrial revolution and internet revolution way back), but I think I get what you are saying, let me just confirm.

These are 10 "post-industrial" countries:

America, Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Seoul, Spain, Canada, Poland, Australia.

South Korea, not Seoul

Yep