I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather the GOP lose with Cruz than win with Trump.

Anyway you know Trump. Tomorrow he'll come out calling the Iowa voters stupid and ugly. Then he'll say he doesn't care. Then he'll call Cruz an evil devil. And then everyone in the Establishment will be laughing their asses off.

^^Well that's more my dream than reality.

1.1% between Bernie and Hillary, not quite the win i was hoping for, but still a good-ish night for Bernie I think.

He really won either way when you think about it. I mean 4-5 months ago he was behind at least 20% and now he's shaved that to 1.1%. I mean that's amazing when you consider that Bernie is a self-proclaimed democratic-socialist and many people (even democrats) have a natural aversion to anybody that far to the left. He's changed the shape of the Democratic party ideologically...so he still won.

Holy crap! Trump is second in all the age groups *except* for 65+. I thought he'd be more popular with the younger demographic. Also, you'd kinda figure that the 'old guard' would go more 'establishment' than the 'young uns'. Isn't Trump the least 'establishment' of the GOP candidates? Crazy crazy.

Rubio definitely stole blue collar votes from Trump. Look at the Des Moine county polls...Trump was supposed to win that since its populated by a lot of younger voters. Instead he's polling 3rd!!!


Cruz has emerged as the most anti-establishment. He won Iowa even though the 6 term sitting governor of Iowa (the longest serving Governor in american history) and a Republican said people shouldn't vote for him.

Edited 2/2/2016 03:27:58

From the NBC link:

On most political matters, do you consider yourself:
Very conservative 40%
Cruz 43%
Trump 21%
Rubio 15%
...
Somewhat conservative 45%
Rubio 28%
Trump 25%
Cruz 19%
...
Moderate 14%
Trump 35%
Rubio 26%
Cruz 9%
...

So that's the name of the game. Cruz represents the far-right loons, and Trump is surprisingly the 'moderate'! lol Poor Rubio's stuck in the middle.

Sad to see the party is still so far-right that Cruz is actually leading.

Well, if Rubio drops out, it's all over for Cruz, though. Most of the Rubios would become Trumps.

I'm putting $500 on a republican winning at 2 to 1 if anyone want to take it (not with real money or anything)

Cruz represents the far-right loons

I take offense to this lol. I wouldn't consider myself a "loon".

But I would consider Sander's supports far-left loons :D

i think there is a very good chance that Trump will actually collapse and it'll be Cruz vs Rubio. Rubio won big tonight

edit: 0.4% between Sanders and Clinton

Edited 2/2/2016 03:43:51

You may very well be right, Hitchslap. I honestly have been avoiding following this circus for the most part. There may be a push to get rid of Trump or whatever, as I've heard people talk about. If the 'establishment' wants to pick a candidate, it looks like Rubio would be their best choice (again, I have little to go on except these stats, so I could be way off).

Edit: Go Sanders! I had no idea he would be able to come this far. Again, I know little of the candidates besides Clinton, but from what little I know of him, he seems like the sanest of the entire lot, Dems and GOPs. If he makes it, it would restore a huge amount of my confidence in the American voting public.

Edited 2/2/2016 03:52:50

I take offense to this lol. I wouldn't consider myself a "loon".

You misunderstand (surprise surprise), to say "X represents the As" doesn't mean "All supporters of X are As". It means "The As feel most represented by X". If you also support X, it says nothing of whether you are an A or not. You might be, you might not be.

Edited 2/2/2016 03:57:55

Wouldn't it be interesting if the final election comes down to Sanders vs. Rubio?

Wouldn't it be interesting if the final election comes down to Sanders vs. Rubio?

What? An election where I actually like both my choices? Heresy.

In seriousness though, that would be a very tough decision. However, I'd much prefer the struggle of picking between two appealing candidates than having to deal with a lesser of two evils situation (I.E: Hillary vs. Trump).

congratz Jai, you've won both bets :) I've updated the sheet
That was very close on both cases though, less that 1%

I'll take the win :D

any bets?
http://www.wmur.com/politics/2016-full-new-hampshire-presidential-primary-election-results/37649066

John Kasich comes 2nd in GOP NH Primary.

hum i do believe it is likely to happen. what are you odds?

Odds for John Kasich coming 2nd in the GOP NH Primary: 2:1