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Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:06:11


Ruthless 
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I'm guessing I should have added this into the title of my Forum post. But if you want a chance to get a Free Lifetime Membership ($30) please visit this post here:

http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=1048

I'm setting up a 1v1 tournament where the winner will receive a free lifetime membership to Warlight.

Thanks
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:11:55


devilnis 
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I wonder if it would be easy to set up an ongoing gladiator's championship where there is a very low cost of entry (50 cents or the like) for each player that would in essence pay for the lifetime membership of the winner.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:16:59


Ruthless 
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I think a long while back I asked Randy about that and we came to the conclusion that it probably could be considered gambling at that point.

But if you look at that post, Randy is planning on having regular tournaments like this with a prize. I just spoke of the idea before he could.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:19:39


crafty35a 
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Well, legally I believe it is not gambling as long as the game is a "game of skill," and not one of luck. Warlight is pretty clearly a game of skill. Still, that's a whole can of worms, and I wouldn't blame Randy if he doesn't want to deal with the potential headache.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:28:46


devilnis 
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Haha Randy could always incorporate into the Cayman Islands :)
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:35:00

The Impaller 
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I believe as long as you have a static prize that is given out regardless of the number of entrants it's not considered gambling. At least, I believe that is how MTG gets around gambling laws when they hold online tournaments. As soon as you start changing the prize based on how many people have entered the tournament is when it starts being considered gambling. At least that I am pretty sure that is how it works based on my limited understanding.

I can understand not wanting to deal with that, though.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:38:08


captnChaos 
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If there is no entrance fee it can't be considered gambling.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/21/2011 21:45:33


devilnis 
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Right, but that's what's being discussed, whether it's feasible to charge a small entrance fee so that in effect it turns into a skill-based raffle with a lifetime membership as the prize.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/22/2011 16:05:58


Duke 
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"he elements of gambling are consideration, a result determined by chance rather than skill, and a reward or prize; or, in other words, payment of a price for a chance to gain a prize. In addition, under a statute that prohibits gambling for profit, "for profit" is a necessary element of the offense. Thus, there is no "gambling" unless a participant is required to risk something of value."

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~sberk/legal_issues.html

Worldwinner.com a subsidiary of a US publicly traded corporation has progressive pots that payout based on the number of entries and they charge per entry. They argue that all their games are skill-based and lack the element of chance necessary to be legally considered gambling. Obviously just having skill as an element of a game would not make a game not gambling, after all poker involves skill. There needs to be no element of luck. WW addresses this by having players play the same exact same game against an AI and then the winner is the person with the best score. Other skill based games sites have done it the same way.

If you remove the wager element it's also not gambling. If the particpant is not risking something of value it's not gambling.

WL could easily rig up a single player tournament against AIs where the winner gets the prize and that would not be considered gambling if it involved no element of chance. Or WL could offer a zero luck competition similar to a chess match (which is not gambling even if played for money).

There's also the argument that a discounted or free "membership" would not constitute a reward or prize because it has little inherent value. It's non-trnsferrable and costs next to nothing to WL. I realize one could argue that buying a membership from WL costs $29.99, but that's not the same as offerring $29.99 as a prize. This is a weaker more subjective argument.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/22/2011 16:26:25


Ruthless 
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I love having a lawyer on the site
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/22/2011 19:21:09


Duke 
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LOL -- nothing I have ever posted to this site constitutes legal advice.
Free Lifetime Membership: 2/22/2011 19:41:10


Perrin3088 
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legal advice or not, you have a much better understanding of the legal system, lol
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