That's pretty much it. It was bad enough the first time, where you abandoned the clan you created to make another elite one. I didn't see why you couldn't create an elite division. Then you just carried on, and on, and on. If I ever chose to join another clan (which I wouldn't - as a clan leader I feel I should be loyal, perhaps with the exception of RP), I would make sure I stayed in that clan forever (unless a large issue arose which I couldn't stand for). You don't seem to grasp the concept of a clan - It is like making friends. You don't make friends then leave them because they aren't good enough for you.

JSA, I have nothing against you, but I'm having a go at what you've been saying.


I clearly state I have no problem being called a clan slut since there is no true meaning behind it.


The online Oxford dictionary defines a clan as:
1. a large family
2. a group of people with a strong common interest

and slut as:
1. someone who has had several casual sex partners
2. dated someone with low standards of cleanliness
(switched woman out for someone for obvious reasons)

Many clans, be it WL or otherwise, put a high value on loyalty, whereas a "slut" will show less consideration for it. Put those two together and you have someone who "has several casual clans" well...you can see where I'm getting at. It has a very true meaning and many people are showing an obvious distaste for the way you clan hop. You would be more accurate in saying that you don't care if people think you're a clanslut, instead of saying it has no true meaning.


I feel very happy with each one I have been in and have gotten a lot out of each(well not [WM] yet but I am sure I will


...and that's how porn starts. You make it clear here that you use clans for your own benefit and yet you show little compassion towards your former clan mates...moving on when it suits you best.


You really should give a notice that you are going to leave (I wasn't sure if you left until last week), and explain why you leave.


While Widzisz (sorry for using you as a referrence, Widzisz) also said he has no problems with you leaving, he said he was upset that you left without warning, not even bothering to explain yourself or give a farewell address (you always need a farewell address man).

I don't want to quote your whole post where you shared your opinions on what clans are for so I'll just mention this: clans will inherently turn to loyalty after an elapsed period of time (this time varies from group to group), because it's human nature. Those who show they don't care for or are otherwise incapable of it attract distrust. My argument so far being: Loyalty -> Trust, Disloyalty -> distrust. Disloyalty -> Negative attention (i.e. Clanslut)


I was surprised all the hate I was getting from switching to one more clan.


Really?...but that's just commonsense. People put up with it for awhile, but you pushed your luck :P

Again, nothing against your personally JSA, but I wanted to get that out there.

tl;dr: CLANSLUT

also

...and that's how porn starts.

is now my go-to argument in political discussions.

Edited 9/3/2013 11:35:18

That will make you seem like a Republican

Never go full Republican :P

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Who cares.

Gui, you're such a frigid clanbitch.

Arun - We couldn't just make an elite division of [P] because most of the clan was already inactive. Frankly, I only played with a few of them myself (mostly Falcoun, JSA and Lolowut), so I had no attachment to [P] because I did not know them. JSA asked me to lead them and I felt uncomfortable with that since I had barely even been in [P]. So we decided to make a new clan.

All I can explain is that movement by JSA, which I think was totally justified. As far as him leaving [WG] for [WM], I don't care. If his heart is not in [WG] then I would rather him go where his heart is. We value loyalty and always have. We allow multi-clan players (we only have a couple), but we still require that those players are committed to us in clan wars/leagues/etc. He has always competed for us in these, but I assume his desire was to compete for [WM] in the future.

Edited 9/3/2013 17:31:00

Gui^ +1

Yes, I apologize to the apex and [WG] guys about no warning about leaving. I don't think I have lost any friends from leaving (except maybe X). I still am willing to play with anybody in [WG] or Apex, I just felt that [WM] could help me achieve being a better 3v3 europe player easier than any other clans, I have already learned on 3v3 Europe from 1-2 games I've played with Gnuffone and hope to keep learning and become a top 3v3 Europe player. I feel that there are maybe 1-2 people in [WG] and Apex that would be considered top 3v3 Europe players, while [WM] has 2-3 at least in just their clan. Like I said, I don't look at loyalty for clans, I look at which clan can offer me the most. My opinion, hate on it if you want, as many of you are. If you are all about loyalty in your clan, don't let me join, simple as that. I value meeting new players and getting to know them over loyalty to a small group of people. I prefer to have 30 teammates I can play with and know will do a good job over 10 players I play all the time with.

Gnull, my apologies, was thinking Reza joined before you, I was wrong :)

Like I said, I don't look at loyalty for clans, I look at which clan can offer me the most.

so basically you are a clanleech. you dont care about your friends, as long as you get what you want, you'd gladly ditch one clan for another, just because it would help you become a 'top player'

clanleech.

Pulsey you can do better with your names

Why did you drop the clanslut references ?? :(

It's easy to encompass this new information into a more proper meaning : Clanslut/golddigger

Edit: On a personal note though - I have had no problem with JSA and he comes across as a decent reasonable individual.

Edited 9/4/2013 09:00:05

i hate to cut through this sheath of irony, but i don't actually care, jsa. although if aranka thinks you are "a decent, reasonable individual" then you really need to re-evaluate your life.

Damn X got there first...

Lol Red, you said as soon JSA leaves your clan you will gladly insult him - looks like that as soon as he sees a. Clan that will give him something, he will ditch you. What's next? Will he decide to join Dragons to improve his Asia skills?

You don't need to join a clan to play with its members. In my opinion you should join a clan because you want to commit to it.

Edited 9/4/2013 09:53:07

aranka, do i happen to be a 'decent, respectable individual' too? :D

No you're not - you're a juvenile prick

jay's only a year older than me :)

JSA: i fail to see why anyone would need to join a clan (or wm for that matter) to improve their 3vs3 europe skills, that's a ludicrous argument. It's also an insult to your previous clans who you left without due notice. You seem to only care about your personal status and have this silly belief that having a known tag behind you will give you that status. Here is the newsflash: clan hopping won't give you that. It will however expose you as a self-centered ass who has no loyalty or respect for his clan mates. And then drama will ensue.

What surprises me the most here is why Red/Gnuffone allowed you to join WM when it seems clear that you just want in for the temporary prestige, don't care much about betraying clan mates whenever it suits you and might just poof out of the blue if the wind turns sour. It shames WM's reputation to allow you to join their clan imho.

With the events JSA has been trying to organize and the time he invests in the community as such I think JSA deserves a bit more respect then he's getting now

I won't deny I've had my differences with JSA himself over various issues, but I don't think this current attitude is fair towards him

He asked us the question - we gave our opinions. There is no question JSA has put a lot into the community. It's a shame he sullies this image (which would be admirable) with this ridiculous, poorly justified clan hopping.

It hurts me, really hurts me...but I have to agree with arangka :(