The problem with the original [20] was too many Round Robin tournaments. I got absolutely sick of them. Even though the amount of games wasn't really too much (which probably caused the slow nature of the leagues), it was the fact that successive games didn't mean any more than previous games.

It's more of the psychology behind it: I'm more willing to put in effort into successive games if each one means more than the previous one (I.E. elimination tournaments). Although I do completely understand that RR tournaments represent a player's true ability far better than elimination tournaments, I think [20] would have been a lot more successful and appealing if the tournaments were elimination.

If [20] does continue (under Gui or anyone else), I'd love to continue playing in the leagues, if the tournaments are elimination. If the format stays Round Robin, I'll probably withdraw (the last tournament we had, I literally surrendered at the beginning of every game due to lack of desire to play a RR tourney).

Just my 2 cents.

What if we were to have a set of double elimination tournaments? Like 3 1v1's on different maps, 2 2v2's, 2 3v3's and a 4v4? And you get points based on how many games you win. Would that work?

My comments about the caliber of player required is more for League A, just btw. (Top 20 player)

JSA, that sounds good, but I don't think you'd get enough people interested in the 4v4. I'd personally play any [20]-related elimination-style tourneys.

Mmmm JSA wich players would you put in the top 20?

I think that this is the biggest problem.

In fact right now this game changed a lot, and there is no more that big difference between the first 50 players (more or less) that allowed to make a fair division in the last league.

I'm saying this, not to propose myself as a [20] player, beacause I don't consider me one of the top 50 players in 1v1 ME at all.

It is just a consideration of mine, and since I like the idea, if you need help for doing anything just ask.

I still enjoy ladder settings, but I feel like a lot of the people I want to play with do not. What settings did you use in the [20] games?

i dont think [20] is for the best players. I mean, i''v beaten them a few times before, they cant be that good. :p

I would plan on making one tournamnet for 1v1 on medium earth. I know a lot of people don't like it but it is still the most popular map in the game for 1v1.

Pulsey, A couple games doesn't mean that much though. If you can beat the guys over half the time, then you are probably good enough to join [20].

Trilussa, I think that each league would have 16 player tournaments for 1v1, 8 teams for 2v2, and 8 teams for 3v3. The 4v4 would include 2 divisions and would have 8 teams probably. There would be more than one league though. Like in the past, [20] has had 2 leagues, 1 for the best, and 1 for the guys who aren't quite good enough for it but are still very good players. I think even if I were to invite around 50 of the top guys, only about 20 would accept, because that would include guys like Eitz and Ruthless who are great players but don't play much anymore and are pretty much retired. I don't know how many people exactly I'd invite to each league but I would plan on including Proving Ground as a league for a little bit lower level of players so that guys who aren't good enough for [20] can still play players of similar skill level.

Some of the top guys I would include that I can think of just off the top of my head that would be in A League:
HHH, Gui, dunga, Bishesupinerr, Dead piggy, Azirdine, Ribena, Unknownsoldier, myhandisonfire, 13CHRIS37, The Lollipop Guild, Oliebol, Zibik21, sze, V, Chaos, EZPickens, Lobstrosity, rayguns, Salah, Fatih, The Window Cleaner, Eitz, Ruthless, and I'm sure there are some more that have slipped my mind for the time being.

I will work more on it and ask Gui and dunga and Sze for help on deciding who should be in which league if I don't know the player at all. I don't know when the third season would start but not until the current one is over for sure. I'll also ask Sze and Gui to help me on settings for the tournaments.

Trilussa, I'm sure you'd be good enough for League B though. Thanks for volunteering to help. I might ask for your help on settings or players if I don't know them.

im not sure how good the B league is going to be, but if its not to elite, i would like to play in it

Ryan, I don't think you will be good enough for B League. B Leaguers are guys like me, NoobSchool, Sasha Gray, orinocoflows, Luxis, Julkorn, Ottarin, [WM]czajnik, [WM]Gnuffone, Military Maniac, brisk, dreuj, [WM]Artham, Mentysh, Wazz, Phaeril, Ze, etc. You aren't quite at that level.

You would probably be good enough for the A League in Proving Ground which would be one level below B League in [20]. Those guys would be closer to your skill level I think.

ahh...hate to break it to you JSA, but i believe that Ryan is a somewhat better player than you are, and he is also better than some of the players on that list.

Also, that list has a wide variety of skill levels of players. orinocoflows and [WM]Gnuffone are not anywhere close to being on the same skill level.

Don't want to be a jerk, I just think that your previous comment was flawed in a few ways.

Proving Grounds is still alive? I thought it died after the season where there was the 3 round robins. :/

Not that I'm good enough for Proving Grounds in any sort of way. :P

Um ARC, tbh, you really have no idea. I have played Ryan multiple times and have beat him every time. His ladder rating is in the 1600s. Mine is in the 1800s. I'm pretty sure I'm better than him...I don't see how anyone can say differently. I'm pretty sure Ryan realizes I'm better than him as well.

I don't think Ryan is better than any players on that list. Ryan is solid but those guys are all good. And Gnuffone is good at team games even if he isn't that great at 1v1. Him and Trilussa teamed up and beat Sze and Myhand at 2v2 today and neither of them is that great at 1v1. I really don't understand why you underestimate him so much.

I know for a fact you are completely wrong on the above post. You aren't a good enough player to have any idea of the skill level comparison between players that are a lot better than yourself.

Kereosa, Season 3 just finished. Some of the divisions took longer than others. I'll invite you to Proving Ground League A this season, as that is about the level I would guess you are at from how you did last season.

Would i be good enough for Proving Grounds, or no?

Was about to respond, but that is just a horribly arrogant post. Notice, I specifically tried to not be offensive in my last post, no need to rip on my playing skills. I don't want to start a war with you. Plus, you are soon going to start annoying some people by reincarnating [20], one of the oldest leagues in WarLight, and changing it to your own specifications a few minutes afterwards.

Arc, those lists were compiled from last season in [20] League B and the players will be similar to last season with possibly a few new additions. I'm not changing much of anything with [20] except making it double elimination tournaments instead of round robins which will allow more good players the time and motivation to play it. I don't see how this would annoy anyone. And for your information, it is easily the oldest league in warlight, with Proving Ground being second.


"I specifically tried not to be offensive in my last post, no need to rip on my playing skills"

You were ripping my playing skills though by saying a guy ranked 35 on the ladder is somewhat better than me. You also said my post was flawed in many ways, when there was nothing wrong with it. It is the simple truth. I like Ryan and he's a nice player and I don't mind having him on my team. But he is not at the skill level as the B Leaguers in [20].

Rosa, You're ladder rating says you are pretty good but ladder ratings can be a bit deceiving when you are new to the ladder and have only played 15 games. I will look over some of your games and try to find what division you would be in. If I am unsure, will ask Sze and dunga to help me. I would guess you are at the level of Proving Ground League A but you might possibly be good enough for [20] League B. I'll have to check the games.

Rosa, I looked at five of your most recent 1v1 Ladder games and I would say you are at the Proving Ground League A level. So I will definitely invite you to those tournaments when I make them in a few weeks.

Okay, thanks.

Ya, JSA is definitely better than me, i havent played with many of the players on that list, but the ones i have played with are all better than me