JSA, you had a loss. You stalled a turn while #2 or #3 because you were close to #1. Finish that game in real-time and you never reach #1. The moment you decided stalling was no fun because you had already let people see your name in the #1 slot, you surrendered and quit the ladder at about the same time (if not the same time). I watched that game and looked at the timing of your turns. Textbook stall. Congratulations! You got first* place by following these methods!

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(6) Play slowly. (a) On the 1v1 ladder, people get unnerved when you play too slowly (study Math Wolf). The more they think about your play speed, the less they focus on beating you. (b) Games are about rhythm and being in the zone. When somebody is beating you, stop playing. Maybe it will make them play worse. Maybe the extra time will help you think better. (c) The best teams on the 2v2 ladder talk a lot. This takes time, especially if you are in different time zones.

This point is not about "manipulating the ladder system", just winning games. No matter how the ladder would work, you can always do that.

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Against Gnuff, I took my time for two turns when we still had a chance. During that time, the game was not over for sure but Gnuff started insisting in a brash manner that I surrender. I wanted to see him stall his other games and have other people get as angry at him for stalling as he made me for demanding a surrender too early. So I stalled to teach him a lesson. Plus, we had that game won if piggy made an extra delay or two, something that was suggested and easily doable but not done. Why would I want to wittingly be the reason Gnuff starts gloating and writing on the forums and his profile about how he broke records? And in a game he had no business winning?

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I was touched by the statement number 5

(5) Play as few games as possible. The more you play and win, the more the system thinks you are the greatest player ever -- and rates you accordingly. The more games you play, the more likely you will lose. Nobody can reach 2300 on the 1v1 ladder after 50 games played. It is impossible. But winning 15 in a row is possible. Likewise, nobody on the 2v2 ladder can play 30 games and have a rating of 2200. But after 10 games, 2200 is possible, if you beat the right people (too many bad teams, and 2200 is not possible with a 10-0 record).

I should take a break from the ladder~~ :)

(0) Read carefully everything Qi and dead piggy post on the forum about gaming the system.

But seriously, you just make it worse / easier. I mean, now I know how to manipulate the ladder, why not to follow your advice?

Keep on manipulating the ladder! Only by exploiting the flaws and weaknesses in the ladder will a better system be used.

System haven't changed since the beginning, "Warlight is a Dictatorship" after all.

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"How to Manipulate the Ladder System
(1) Refuse to surrender when you have clearly lost but an opponent was accidentally booted: HHH/Zibik vs piggy/Qi"

I don`t know how comment it :) Check this game again. When dead piggy was booted your team has 77 armies, we 71 armies, you lead in income 25 : 18, but in next turn you can`t defend Antarctica and HHH take E US, then you will be lose in income 22 : 23. Why you expect our surrender when game is balanced? You should surrender automatically when piggy was booted, but you still play and waiting for what?. Before we meet your team we lose by boot too, and I surrender at once without regret.


You should be ashamed to indicate team Zibik/hhh in this topic. We never calculated in 2v2 ladder.

We knew your locations. The plan we discussed would have worked. Recreate the game. Custom distribution. You lose for sure. 100%.

No calculations? Team Zibik is not near first. They disappear from ladder. Team Zibik is near first, reappear on ladder. Rule #3 and Rule #5. Congratulations, you are a master manipulator of the ladder!

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Stg Pepper you are pitiful. We cant participate in ladder without another boot HHH, he completly have no time and get boot in 1v1 ladder too. Do you see any sense to play 2v2 when one player will be boted? Its normal to leave ladder when you have no time to play. When I can I play 1v1, 2v2, season and other games, but when I have no time I resign with all or one of them.

Let me tell you somethin' brotha, when you step in the ring with Sgt Pepper, you better say your prayers and eat your vitamins! Whatcha gonna do when Sgt Pepper runs wild on you?

Qi always like to play the part of the victim, he is the innocent virgin surrounded by ill-intentioned people ,you might seem like a perfect roleplayer, but you arent, you have deliberately manipulated the ladder system...

rule #1 Refuse to surrender when you have clearly lost against me and gnuff, rule #6 you played slowly to delay your loss against us and consequently we had to delay too against mirror/ineff and dreuj/brisk (games that have become over weeks after your defeat), so you are the only one that have postpone his losses <--rule #2

rule #7 you have used 3 vacations of 10 days to delay, and your hypocrite partner have also try to convince me that you were in vacation and that you did not have time to play....when you was realy active with your second account!, rule #3 after have put yourself in vacation you consequently quit the ladder.


and now you hide yourself behind pathetic excuses based on gnuff attitude of self promotion/bragging or the fact that you would have won if piggy had listened you.

-this is 2vs2 ladder not 1vs2 ladder, so, if you want puppet others you have to team up with noobs like motocross that allow you to do this and you would have won. but here you have clearly LOST.

but the silly true is that you only wanted to sabotage our team, you were jelaus of the fact that we were able to do what you have not been able to do. But lets compare our teams performance :

-we played with 2 games at time , and we fight against all the top ten and the other teams with very high rating

-you played with 5 games at time , you getting high rating beating a lot of noobs, the only top team that you beat is dreuj/brisk and you also got a lucky win by boot against dunga/grona, and after have take #1 you changed your ladder settings from 5 games at times to 2 games at times..isnt that ladder system manipolation?


all the players have used at least one of the rules that you mentioned and who says no is an hypocrite like JSA or piggy that after two months of vacation he insisted on says that he did not delay...

you seems to me also exhagerated with your rules, most of the players in top 20 do not have more than 20 games or they play slowly to stay with 15-25 and not more games completed , how can is possible have more than 100 games with expiration after 3 months and hold first with high rating? ...you must be also hyper active....

There are other rules, worse than these, that you have forgotten to mention:

-Players that put themselves on vacation for 1-2 days, leaving their friends take the first position

-Players that for lack of interest or just to increase the rating of the friends they let themselves being booted in matches against them: dead piggy/gnuff, military maniac/mentish grona-dunga/Qi-piggy uranus/mannhereim etc etc

then I think that someone should remove the halo from his head.....

srs biznis

Touchy subject. I'm asking people to follow these rules. So, congratulations Belz!

Beelzebooter why are you acting like a victim, like some anonymous virgin? o.O

Anonymous is not a virgin, don't you remember neither the pale-faced woman, nor the vampiric gal? ;)

What?? I wasn't referring to the [WM] Anonymous who is definitely neither a virgin nor a gay nor a shrimp. Stop being so over-sensitive ;)

hahah :D i thought he actually was a shrimp though ;)

well he is, but dont tell anyone. he'd hate it if people found out.

If you really want to show how it can be manipulated, you should see how many non elite players you can take top spot on ladder with using these tactics.

JSA, Niko,

beel, gnuff, olie (were all pretty rubbish when they fisrt got it, and promptly dropped out of the top ten, not to be seen again for months)

The best proof ladder is manipulated is i can't reach TOP10, because all of the noobs sitting there thanks to their manipulations. Otherwise i would be TOP5 at least and TOP1 very likely.

Same with arun

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