Lmao Olympus always have existed to be last.

Overall I solid ranking I have a few squibbles with it (for.ex DutchDesire is playing tiered clan league and expressed Interesting in CL for CORP) but as a whole it is a phenomenal list.

Raw skill , Depth , Vitality , Future promise. All affect ranking but look like you took them into account well.

Edited 5/26/2017 17:39:17

Motoki is now technically in GV, did that been taken into account? Also, what ladder(s) did you took into consideration? Only 1v1 or others like 2v2 3v3 RTL and MDL? Your rating is quite interesting and seems to be for the most part accurate.

Edited 5/26/2017 18:30:41

i think motoki is seen as inactive

Is he? I didn't know, but i can't know every alt.

I tried to take everything into consideration. 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, RTL, MDL, AWP, CL, seasonal ofc as well

Edit: Motoki wasn't included, since i just knew, that his main isn't in a clan. Same for Pana, same for timon, who is in to much clans to rate him into one specific.

Edited 5/26/2017 18:31:00

You see the guy high on coins leaderboard...I have been told that's his new main...

Your rating of clans is very interesting Edge, but ofc some parameters of clans are harder to judge. For example, M'Hunters might not have that many very good players, close to elite or elite, but they have an incredible depth compared to some other clans like VS for example. Your rating of clans is very dependent on a somewhat objective measure (ratings), but it is still arguable how much a rating represents the true level of a player. I understand though that other than the ratings on the different ladders, it seems to be hard to come up with an objective way to rank clans. Maybe some bonus points of some sort could be given to clans that have a lot of activity and/or lot of depth, because I think for me that's an important aspect to determine how a clan should be ranked. A lot of activity and/or depth shows that the clan is active and have new interesting prospects that are being trained.

Edited 5/26/2017 18:38:46

First, Amazing job Edge! The first impression is that this gives a good overview of the ranked clans.

Unfortunately, as much as I would love to discuss specifics, it's very hard. Since you didn't keep a record of how you ranked the players. For example I have no clue who you have as MH's very good players (3) and who is MH's good players (7) in this ranking. Also makes it hard to see if you got the right alt's/inactive players considered too.

Also, kind of odd to see that having 1st on the 1v1 ladder, only makes you a Very Good Player?

However, this is a very good write-up and ranking of clans. Just that if we had the raw data behind, it could be peer-reviewed. Right now it's impossible to argue about the numbers you present, since we don't have the numbers. For example I can't say clan X should be ranked higher cus player Y is ranked low, but player Y did Z. So while I think some clans may be misranked, I don't won't to point it out, since I can't back it up.

EDIT: To make it very clear through, this is a great ranking thing you have done Edge. Must have taken some effort too! Good Job!

Edited 5/26/2017 18:42:37

A 1st on the ladder doesn't mean anything for me. I even have players ranked in the good player category, who got 1st on a ladder.

U get trophies for all kind of stuff. Sometimes luck that better players/teams leave, sometimes just 1 good run, sometimes people even stall to get a high rating, so a 1st place or a golden trophy doesn't mean anything for me, because it not necessairly defines the skill of a player.

I tried to look behind it. How did the player got the trophy? Was he able to sustain his rating over a longer period of time, or did he just dropped down in his rating after he got ranked. What about other ladders.

I really just put players into the 2 highest categories, who had longterm success on all kinds of competitions. If there is someone who is a great single player, but can't play team games, he isn't included in the 2 highest categories. If there is someone who can play really well on Multi Day base, but can't play RT games well, than he isn't included. As i said in the explanation to the close to elite category. These players just have small things to progress to be considered elite and elite is just the absolute best. I really didn't wanted to fill these two categories with to many players.

I could have made a list to rate each player, but that would have taken even more time. I started to work on these rankings a week ago. With more work i could have make it even better. I'm pretty sure on it. Ultimately i think i put more time in these rankings than others did in the past, although i don't know how they did theirs, but that's the feeling i have.

Nice one Edge - this is a good attempt at a tricky thing.

TBest ... I mean it's pretty obvious ... you can easily guess who are rated very good in MHunters, you don't know the best players in your own clan? O_o

Besides Edge makes it easy for you and just tells you - TBest, AI, 90 :P

Right. These are the 3 i rated there. I wasn't sure about Emu Pub, also not about 90, but i know he's underrated, although his stats might not show it, so that's one of just a handful of players were i rated also after a personal feeling.

@Quicksilver,
"Besides Edge makes it easy for you and just tells you - TBest, AI, 90 :P "
On the last internal MH skill ranking, neither of those players are number 1 in MH. A ranking which, I do think is right.

Not really blaming Edge for not having super knowledge of all players in all clans :P

Also, I don't know how much time other clan rankings spent time on doing the rank. But you Edge, by far covered the most clans. Which, is natural, as there are way more clans atm, then it was before. Would certainty not except anyone to put down more time. More like, put down a few random clans and call it a ranking ;) The way you approached the ranking is very good!

I see it sort of like an overview. Of course the list isn't perfect and there will be some mistakes, but it's an overall good list that evokes productive conversation ( just as long as no one gets upset that their clan isn't ranked higher.)

Very nice list Edge. Very good job! Im going to give some comments, but they are more about my personal experience rather than real mistakes in the list.

they still have 2 elite players in Buns and USA Biches

I dont think Biches is on the same level as Buns. I'd rate Buns a 10 and Biches a 8 or 9. Even though Biches is a very good player, Buns is clearly on a completely different level.

Beren, who i have rated close to elite

Personally I wouldve rated Beren as an elite player :O

With malakkan One has an uprising player lately

IMO Malakkan is no longer an uprising player. He's been on a good level for a while now. Although I know you take the lenght of ones succes into account, I think its safe to say that malakkan is not really below PJ or Holdway anymore.

Currently Math Wolf and Jackie Treehorn are the two best players in the clan.

I know you didnt count Yeon since you counted him as inactive. But he is still around and IMO by far the best player of Stats. Its kind of hard whether or not to take him into account. But I think it wouldnt hurt to do so.

The best players of Apprentice currently seem to be Min34 and Gulius Jäsar.

Not certain I would put myself at the top of Apprentice. Scrooge is already at a high level and Phucilli has recently come back and has some serious skill as well.

ACL Tears is in my opinion close to elite

Kzry and ACL are on the same level imo. But they are rated differently :O

rakleader. I rated him close to elite

IMO Rakleader is elite.

9. [Blitz] (7.4)

Blitz don't play a good season of Clan League. Their performance is lacking in Divison A and so they will very likely relegate to B again. Their best player is Giantfrog who seems to be inactive, but i heard he's still playing sometimes on an alt (no, not in TJC). I'm not sure if that's true, but i decided to include him here as an elite player. (without him the rating would drop to a 7.0) Another reason is, that also a player like KKND doesn't play with them in Clan League, so there u have 2 of the currently 3 best players of Blitz missing. The loss of Wini hurts them, but the addition of Chris and also Xenophon were good for the future of the clan.

This is the rating I have the most problems with. IMO it is silly to count GiantFrog as active (especially when counting Yeon f.e. as inactive. Chris is no longer in the clan. I think you overrated this clan quite a bit tbh.

Edited 5/26/2017 19:46:32

Great job Edge!

I have never heard something about an internal MH skill ranking :P
I think Edge has a pretty good feeling about how to rate players because he's very active. For example I have 19 common games with him from 4 different ladders. Of course, you could argue if CL performance is more important than ladder performance and stuff like this, but I think all in all Edges ratings are pretty accurate.

It would be nice to have many different collaborators voting on this and make some sort of an aggregated score. The value of the score would hence be increased. It would also be nice asking the ratings of some guys Like EmuPub or me or guys like that that play a lot with less known guys in open real-time games that are probably better than most people think. Just don't ask Pichu (aka Scarlett), she is likely to give excellent grades to everyone hahaha ;)

Edited 5/26/2017 19:53:13

Wow ... nice work Edge !

@ Min

Biches did so well on so much different kinds of competitions. Personally i felt i need to include him as an elite player. But the players are so close, that it's always debateable and i do see why some say Biches shouldn't be there. For Beren, it were the 1vs1/MDL performances which holded him back for me. He's undoubteable one of the best when we're talking about team games.

I had malakkan as a very good player. I'm pretty sure on that, so on one level as PJ. I had Holdway as close to elite, maybe also debatable. PJ is doing really good on CL, maybe switching them would be better.

Krzy and ACL i think i might have put Krzy to high. I heard that a lot now. Others say Widzisz is to low, so at least it would negate itself here for the clan rating.

Rakleader was a tough one. I think there will be different opinions of players to put him from the elite category to the very good one.

To the other things. I put Yeon as inactive. I would have done the same with Giantfrog if i wouldn't have heard, that he plays on an alt from time to time (i don't know if that's true), so i decided to put him in. I didn't knew Chris left Blitz when i posted it. So yeah that would change things again.

Basically my ratings go back to last weekend, where i watched through every clan. During the week i finalized it, didn't look over everything again, just some small things and took clan changes into account.

This is a an exceptionally solid ranking. Had to cost you a lot of time. I'm amazed.

People may disagree with you on some parts because personal opinions on players vary a lot, but from what I've seen the only suggestions are to move a bunch of players 1 rating up or down, not more, so that indicates that you nailed the ratings pretty damn good.

It is why ratings would be way more accurate if let's say 1 person per clan would do the ratings and we would come up with an aggregated score.

But it's not gonna happen as hardly anyone would be willing to put such an effort in it. That's the reason why Edge deserves an applause.

Yep