The agenda pushing in this thread is real.

All I see is Tristan and Tyrion.

Yeah both of them are trying to derail this into a shit show about race, like how the liberal media does with all the shootings, to keep folk divided on the subject and too weak to actually confront the problems presented here.

like how the liberal media does

Complains about agenda pushing. Pushing own agenda.
Nice! How I so enjoy hypocrisy...

I said that liberal media (like MSNBC) often brings up race. Is this not an agreed upon thing already? Oh pardon me, I have to ignore how blatant the race baiting is on that side, don't I?

If a white guy got shot by the police for no good reason it would make the news, just as this did.

Bullshit. It would make the local news for a few days until the court case comes around, and it might get national headlines for a single day. No continuous coverage, no outcries from organizations, no protests.

There are not nearly as many cases of brutality against whites. Like Sharpe said, the unjustified ones make the news all the same.

The cases that make the national news for more than one day are the ones that will rake in the views AKA not cases with White victims.
There are more White people killed by cops, how is that not more brutal?

I agree with you all that brutality in general is the issue, but the fact of the matter is, that media and society doesn't give a shit about bad cop cases unless the victim is a minority. Hell, YouTube is a better source for viewing true brutality/actual racist cops than any news media.

Yeah both of them are trying to derail this into a shit show about race, like how the liberal media does with all the shootings,

I think they were saying those things in response to the nation's response (which is shouting "RACISM"). A quote from Michael McClanahan of the NAACP: "What we're going to do is root out the 1% of bad police officers that go around being the judge, the jury and executioner of innocent people, period, but more specifically, innocent black lives." No need to make it more specific when race isn't the issue. But that's what this country does.

it is still not certain as to whether or not the victim even had a gun. He likely had one in his pocket or something, but it hasn't even been confirmed yet (unless I missed something?)

Yeah, the dude had a gun. So far, it doesn't seem he was reaching out for it.

They're the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, it's their job to bring up race. But folk like the news media, they're the ones who have little excuse.

wat u guys think about the philando castile shooting

^From what information is out so far, it looks like that cop was a shit cop and he won't be a cop for long.

False. In one instance his hands were bound and nowhere near the gun. In the other, he was reaching for his wallet and doing the responsible thing in telling the police that he had a gun and permit.

Indefensible in both cases. There was no threat to either officers life.

In one instance his hands were bound and nowhere near the gun. In the other, he was reaching for his wallet and doing the responsible thing in telling the police that he had a gun and permit.

CD Man's hand was near his gun. However, that was so because of him being bound. Interestingly, CD Man was a felon and wasn't even allowed to carry his firearm openly, let alone concealed. Doesn't change the fact that the cops done f*cked up, though.

The man was reaching for his wallet which happened to be where his gun was. He did the right thing until he didn't listen to the cop to stop reaching. One could argue that the cop had no proof that the man was grabbing his wallet, and not his gun. Doesn't change the fact that the cop done f*cked up, though.

If the second guy was reaching for his gun why would he tell the officer he had a gun? Not exactly the action of one intending to use said gun!

I typically give police the benefit of the doubt. Brutal and dangerous job which is easy to question in hindsight. I can't defend either of these. Police failures.

No, I can't defend either of these cases, either. I was just pointing out that while police brutality is an issue, cooperation with police is lacking in most cases that we hear about. I'm not defending brutal police when I say this, but sucking up pride and cooperating might not kill some people.

"indisputably" translates to "i'm afraid of opposing opinions"

Agreed Darth, thus my typical support. By all accounts, both victims were fully cooperating and respectful yet were still shot. Not good.

Hmm, we managed to agree on something.

Two burly policemen tasered a guy and havent been able to disarm the suspect or put on hand cuffs. Instead, they presumably panic and shot the victim 6 times. great job! America's policemen must be world's finest. not to mention that they tried to cover their failure with a blatant lie to come away with homicide, which seems to be an approved way to deal with those situations. I really hope that they dont get away with that, but I have no doubt they most likely will.

great job! America's policemen must be world's finest.

This sarcasm coming from Germany.

I really hope that they don't get away with that, but I have no doubt they most likely will.

They won't. There is video evidence of their bullshit. Dude, who pissed in your coffee?

Germany doesn't have good cops.

But I find it ironic that were hear talking about US Police Brutality when there is China. And probably Vietnam. And lets not even talk about Mexico. Or Indonesia.

You think US prisons are bad? Try a third world prison.

Yeah, but we all know when the U.S does something wrong it's immediately three times worse than when someone else does something wrong.

On a less snarky note, police brutality is a real problem in the U.S, and both police and average citizens need to figure out how to establish a better relationship.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

Interactive map from Guardian, more Whites are killed by Police Brutality than Blacks each year. However, since white population is far larger than black population, blacks killed represent greater percentage of the black population. Nevertheless, since blacks as a race have disproportionally higher crime rates than Whites, logic goes they will be in more negative interactions with the Police. Overall I think it evens out.

The issue is more about Police abusing his powers against an uncooperative suspect, little more. Though I would still give the Police, especially ones in America, the benefit of the doubt. When every suspicious criminal could be hiding a potential gun, I wouldn't take any risks myself.

The issue is a tragic one, but has definitely been politicized. A certain party likes to take advantage of the tragedy to play race-baiting politics since it appeals so well to its voters.

^^^

The irony: Democrats started the KKK, but they are more popular with blacks today.

Shows you how uneducated the average black is.

Lets just admit it: If we were to block people who didn't graduate from high school from voting, and were to require a few simple tests on US History and basic government structure, the Democratic part would collapse overnight.