minimum wage is up to 7.20 perrin, providing you are 18 or older

oh, wow

all i knew was it was 8.00 state minimum in CA, thought that 6.75 had been the federal lol

Please. Let's not turn this into something ugly and divisive... especially now that there is a very visual reminder of who is good and honorable and wonderful and moralistic and who is just a jerk ass free loader.

Many of us free loaders would very much like to see Fizzer have great success but, for whatever reason, are not going to pay $30. And, I can pretty much guarantee you, that for the vast majority it is not because we're evil horrible people.

pep, nobody is saying anything bad about people just because they can't or wont make the payment, just that it is bitchy and bad form and annoying to complain about it.

(though, really, the name calling makes the leaving much quicker and easier... and, conveniently enough, it's back to KOL for me, which I realized today I've spent over $800 on over the last four years in $10-$100 donations. As a freelancer, when the money flows, the money flows. When it doesn't it doesn't.)

and perrin, it was updated a few years ago, 6.75 is what it used to be. and some are talking about raising it to 7:35 or 7:50

to pepper and the rest of you leaving, you will be missed....

name calling?

I was merely pointing out that what Fizzer is doing is the exact opposite of Greedy.. he has spent considerable amount of time/money into this game, and he just needs some help to continue to provide services. Calling it an act of greed is an insult, imho.

and Pepper, it is still playable without the $30...

Guys ...

... what a ridiculous discussion !

Sure, its a bit painful seeing some functions being blocked from gamers that dont want to become members as its always painful when something you liked and posessed is taken away from you. But this is just an instinctive reaction without seeing things in the light of the guy who operates this site.

Moreover, Warlight still offers free games. So just to have some gaming fun still costs nothing. Those who want to do "serious" Warlight gaming, whatever this might be, can surely afford a one-time-fee of 30 USD. If they only invest a small amount of the time they game into earning money they can pay that. Think about what you have to pay to be member of a sports club every year.

So, whats so bad to reward someone for creating a successful game? I myself wont become a member because i cannot really play this game seriously. But if i would i d be willing to pay even more than that.

Perrin, my reply was not merely to you.

Though I do find the "just get a job" attitude a bit insulting. I have a job. A good job and one that I love. It's just that it's a job that comes with the occasional month or two of not getting a paycheck. That means that budgeting is taken rather seriously in my household, especially in the lean times.

And the fact is that something like 45% of Americans are living beyond their means. Bankruptcies have doubled in the last decade and the average carried over balance on credit cards has tripled and is closing in on $10,000. And though the hourly wage may seem large, it has not increased at a rate consistent with most other things (especially education) and you actually have to have a job to get that hourly wage which, in some locations is not nearly as easy as it would seem to be.

But that isn't the point.

We all knew that there would be bitching and moaning when paid membership was added. People bitch whenever there is a change but especially so when there's one that hits their wallet. Most of those bitching, will bitch once and then leave forever. There is no need to create an us & them attitude about it... most of those the feelings were actually geared to will never see it, but in the process the bitching about them and their free loading ways has managed to foster a negative classist society where some can claim some sort of superiority over the others... made all the easier by the distinguishing icon that fizzer has provided.

I have no desire to be a part of that. And it's not because, until May or June when I'd be able to pony up the $30, I'd be one of the free loading jerks, but because I don't find that sort of attitude fun to be around.

Your are always entitled to your opinion Pepper, but on this I think that you are wrong. I don't think any of us ( at least most of us) think that we are "Better" than anyone else for having paid. and I don't think that it has anything to do with classes....I am a poor college student, but yet I paid the 30 dollars because I viewed it as worth it. That's not to say that everyone can make the payment, but rather to show that it's not about what "class" you are in or how much you make, just how much that you think it's worth it to be a member. and there is nothing wrong with not caring enough about being a member to find a way to come up with the money. nobody thinks that you are freeloading, just that you are not willing to pay

Ok, I will concede that I, perhaps maybe might have, over reacted a touch ;) It's a whole issue that I have with class systems and, more, with distinguishing them. I was not aware that warlight was going to implement one along with the other changes and so when I showed up in a few games and on the forums and saw the Ms everywhere, it made me a bit twitchy. So to see the free loathers & good riddence statement, well, it just threw me over the edge.

And, clearly, you all now have a sense of my sanity level and can see how if I lose it this quickly & easily over it, it is best that I just take my leave as gracefully as possible at this point.

I harbor no ill will towards any of you (especially, you fizzer. good game & good luck & all of that :)) and apologize for turning into a bit of an ass there.

anyone is allowed to their opinion, and i have to agree with you on the M's, i can understand to a point why fizzer would implement it, but in most cases i don't want to be recognized as a premium member, *just as donaters in certain games choose to remain Anonymous.*

my main reason for 'bitching' *which i know i do my fair share, in this arguement and otherwise :)* is the attitude people took about this entire issue, and you're right, most of the people we are responding too will probably never log in again, or if they do it will be far and away down the line past this being remembered.

that being said, /rantoff and i will follow your example and try to not let them get the best of me :P

How about using ads, instead of membership payments?

http://blog.warlight.net/index.php/2011/02/lets-talk-about-warlight-1-0/

if i recall, that's the blog post where it was discussed

What about at least raising the invite limit to 6, instead of 5?

http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=1039

The only game that I've played constantly for almost a year straight. It's a shame that I won't play it as much or at all. :/ I wouldn't mind seeing ads if we could still have all our features for free. Memberships are real turn offs for me.

One thing I've noticed about my Runescape membership is that it weeds out people I really don't want to play with. You can already do that, to some degree, here on Warlight by setting open seat prerequisites but you still have a chance of some idiot making their way into your game. Playing with only members would ensure that you are playing with people who want to be here enough to shell out some hard earned cash.

For my first year on Runescape, I was FTP and I had a ton of 'fun' experiences with other players. When I graduated to membership status and started playing with the other members, I had a much more pleasant experience because everyone was paying to be there.

In the last few months (on WL) I've mostly been playing games with players who have been here at least as long as I have and my experience here has been better for it.


For that reason, I think memberships are a fantastic idea. On the other hand I understand not being able to afford 30$ for a game, though to be honest, I would have done whatever I could to pay for my WL membership.

Thanks "les" for the offer for my map, but this is not the point (and it wasn't when i created my other maps). People who also did their job for the success of warlight are getting pranked. We all invited new players, made new maps for the variety of the game and now our dedication is rided roughshod over.
There is no respect for all the people who made this game succesfull, who invited others and made sure that you get mostly fast opponents without waiting to long.

And now there is this "problem" with cash up and several others...
Some people in poor countries can't afford that. Okay, that is the natural ignorance of the USA for the rest of the world. I think Randy should be better, but obviously he isn't.
Also there are many (most underage) players, that even don't have a credit-card or something like hateful paypal. They are shortly sidelined.

And now a great game-creator comes, hold's a gun to my and all the others heads and tells, you have to pay him money in 3 days or you can't use the most of all things you haved used before anymore. Sorry, but in my opinion this is like highway robbery!


Every map-creator should delete his map.
Then, if only a few maps remains and paying members get bored, this game will get his finally quietus!