Ironheart, how do you know that is the (absolute) max ?
I am two levels behind you and can make 10-player games, the message i get when trying to add players says i can only invite 10 and i need to be a member to make 20-player games, it doesn't explicitly state that 10 is max. for non-members but it does make it seem like it,
maybe you are getting the same message at level 18 with 12 players ?

I don't care that we already have the features. I just want to know what I am not unlocking (already have). Otherwise the leveling is pretty boring (you are not shown what you would have gotten at each level).

Am not saying 12 is the max, i am just saying 10 definitely isn't the max.

was about to bash arun for not reading properly the posts announcing 2.0 where fizzer stated more stuff for members other then the ad blocker, but now that i read them again i don't really see that line anywhere myself.

but i do see a forum reply by Fizzer on one of the forum threads saying the following:

"i payed £20 for membership a few weeks ago...i just wasted my money" I understand why you may feel that way, but you should wait until you see all the details. I'm pretty sure you won't feel like it was a waste once all the details are revealed.

so i guess if you feel robbed you can still have a little faith that you might not feel as much after a couple of months.

I only farmed for two days for a similar reason to JSA; to get a decent, respectable level.

I farmed to get respect

do you not see how self-defeating this is

Funny how my name always gets brought into things :)

I farmed a few games, and that was because I wanted to be at the level I would have been had I not been gone for the first week of 2.0. I shouldn't have farmed just cause it was a waste of my time. Members really gain nothing from it, I could care less about inviting 40 people to a game.

I'll start that this thread made me think about Angry Birds!

Well...what should i say, i'm getting very confused. I can't understand what's going wrong with all this stuff.

40 players FFA? REALLY GUYS? is that the ULTIMATE FEATURE? that's dust in your eyes.

Still i don't get why Fizzer doesn't want to reveal other details. It was okay before the 2.0, but when I read the 2.0 blog post, i felt like i knew already everything. Where are the shiny new features that won't be revealed until the launch of the 2.0?

2.0 is on and all I can see is FARMING, non members getting my same "privileges", and a lot of confused people about what is unlocked and when.


Fizzer, why don't you make a "map" with all the levels, and all you can unlock to every level? As far as i remember, every games shows you that. It's also a psycological factor! Think about seeing that at level 50 you unlock some new card, new setting, or that at level 100 all myhand's alts will be revealed!
I would know for what I'm trying to get there.

As it is now, we are just a bunch o confused people, some desperatly farming as there isn't a "tomorrow" for them, and others that THOUGHT they already have all the benefits, but as it seems, they also have to play to unlock them.

By the way nonmembers can get to 24 player games. I was talking to schuyler (level 35). Not sure if they will get the new extension to 40, I hope not, but then again it doesnt much of a difference.

I have not been able to make a 40 player game. If members are able to do that I will be very happy. However I find it strange that non-members are getting benefits and can sympathize with angry members, although I don't thing I am one.

The thing is Red, since income now comes through advertising, it is more beneficial to Fizzer that people should farm, rather than work on interesting maps or templates. It is better to have noobs playing one million games to unlock the level benefits, rather than to make a player who really cares about the game and the strategic possibilities pay to be able to use them, and to make them want to invest in the game.

tl;dr: players farming is in the nature of advertising-based games.

Not that it's really important.

2.0 is on and all I can see is FARMING, non members getting my same "privileges", and a lot of confused people about what is unlocked and when.

I'll have to agree with Anonymous, 2.0 is mostly about bunch of guys competing over who has the bigger dic--, level I mean

and most of the "achievements" are pretty pointless, since getting them is a matter of just creating a custom scenario game

I'm not even angry, just expected some more useful features

map of unlocked possibilities per level: i would prefer that fizzer keeps this a secret. 1) let hedja and others discover these things. it might be more interesting this way. 2) fizzer retains flexibility to add new features at different levels IN THE NEAR FUTURE before anyone reaches a certain high level. if he were to make a list, he might feel limited by that list. by not making a list, he can make new features if/as he pleases. more flexibility as a creator.

i propose a new name for the warlighters clan: we the farmers {WTF}.

"let hedja and others discover these things"

hedja does it on his own... no one can follow him...

hey, i didnt complain in public places, i just saved up awhile to buy this thirty dollars membership BUT MEMBERS STILL HAVE LADDERS :D, as long as nonmembers dont get ladders i will be fine, probably most of the members agree with me (ladders are the crown jewel of membership)

What actually annoys me the most of 2.0 is looking for new realtime games and constantly finding this

would be nice if we could blacklist maps/settings/players from showing on the open games list. i dont want to see this point farming crap when i'm looking for actual games worth playing.

As far as I'm concerned, Ladders are worth getting the membership for. Although I think the more elevated status members had before was good for business. Despite the complaints I think they're definitely still worthwhile.

Actually I am angry: I do not think it is fair that non members, no offence, can make anything from custom scenarios to 28 player games. I cannot make a 28 player game and yet I payed $30. I mean besides ads why buy a membership. It's like selling someone a sword and then handing them out to everyone who joins a battle. Obviously it takes some time, but why do members have to do it, why did I pay $30... now I kind of want it back.

The M.A.N. that's my opinion too. I think that all the new features (local deployment, 40 player games) should have been available to members from the start. It would be the least we deserve after having a lot (almost all) of the features we paid for being made non-exclusive, being free for anyone who can be bothered to make some crappy quadruel games.

I agree. I don't money back because i did it to support the project. But I'd like to see member get some more "gratitude" by giving them all the settings of the game. If only at level 38 you unlock 28 ffa...well...fuck my life, i will get there in months, if not years...i will never unlock anything as i already played 4000 games which didn't count for the unlocks, make it at least the member thing to count for them.