Newcomers welcome. All current participants will automatically be included in the next season. But PLEASE TELL US IF YOU INTEND TO QUIT THE LEAGUE, so that we have as few movement problems as possible.

There are still about 5 games left to complete the season, but I thought I should give a preliminary picture of how the movements are going to work, and allow for feedback. The challenge is the incomplete groups when players retire without notice. Most groups have less than 6 moving forward. A-4, B-6, C-4, D-5, E-5, F-4, G-6, and H-11. I will add Ze and other newcomers as well.

It is impossible to form season 5 with the ordinary rules of promotion and relegation and have groups of 6. In order to promote groups of 6, I have had to adjust the rules as follows. Groups A through D have only one relegation each. In groups E through G there are no relegations. Groups D through H also have "super-promotions". This is the only way I can manage the movements without having entire groups promoted together, or nearly so.

So here is what I am proposing for your comment:

Season 5 Groups (showing the season 4 origins)

A - AAABBB
B - ABBCCD
C - BCDDEE
D - CDEEFF
E - DEFFGG
F - GGGHHH (H's are shuffled from H1 and H2)
G - GHHHH,Ze
H - HHHH,2 earliest newcomers
I - later newcomers

count me in if there is room =)

Thanks you Chokecherry. I'm ready to play the season 5 ^^

OK. Two more (from Group F) are retiring from the league. Again, I and remaining participants appreciate the notice. Here is how I think it should affect the setup for season 5. Comments and questions are welcome.

A - AAABBB
B - ABBCCD
C - BCDDEE
D - CDDEEF
E - EFGGGG
F - GGHHHH
G - HHHHH,Ze
H - HH, earliest newcomers
I - if necessary for additional newcomers

Current participants: please let us know now if you do not want to play next season!

There are two games still incomplete, both in Group A. The outcomes will determine who is the winner of the elite Group. If Dunga wins his game, he will repeat as ultimate champ. If Envaeronment, who beat Dunga, wins his game he will be champ. If Frankdeslimste wins his two games (against Dunga and Envaeronment), he will be champ. So stay tuned.

The results, however, will not make a difference to the set-ups of Season 5. So here are your other results:

Congratulations to bore, Anakin Chigurh, Niko, Grinche, dreuj, Desert Fox, dodo commander and Justin Gawner for respectively winning groups B,C,D,E,F,G,H1 and H2.

As explained earlier, several retirements have made the movements for season 5 a bit tricky and unfortunately group G will not see as much variety as the other groups in the new season. Here is the tentative set-up (barring challenges and further retirements)

Season 5

GROUP A
dunga
Frankdeslimste
Zerbi
bore (promoted from B)
Heyheuhei (promoted from B)
aper (promoted from B)

GROUP B
Kerosea (relegated from A)
Ineffable
Warlord
Anakin Chigurh (promoted from C)
Luxis (promoted from C)
Niko (super-promoted from D)

GROUP C
TexasJohn (relegated from B)
Ironheart
Ruthless Bastard (promoted from D)
CEBearsfan (promoted from D)
Grinche (super-promoted from E)
Noobschool (super-promoted from E)

GROUP D
hangblague (relegated from C)
Grzechoo
elledee
x (promoted from E)
Nighthawk (promoted from E)
Dreuj (super-promoted from F)

GROUP E
Bearsbeeetsbattlestar
J R Mikkelsen (promoted from F)
DesertFox (super-promoted from G)
Min34 (super-promoted from G)
Chewie (super-promoted from G)
Bais (super-promoted from G)

GROUP F
FD (promoted from G)
Zakyman (promoted from G)
dodocommander (super-promoted from H1)
Justin Gawner (super-promoted from H2)
Ryan (super-promoted from H1)
Awesome Guy (super-promoted from H2)

Group G
Iblocka09 (promoted from H1)
Arc-77 (promoted from H2)
Z-dog (promoted from H1)
Green (promoted from H2)
nayrb11 (promoted from H1)
Ze (new)

Group H
AlexVGreat
General Rope
Warflowvet (new)
fridge (new)
IYF Dragon (new)
Gnuffone (new)
Tenshi (new)

If there are more people who want to join, we can split group H. Season 4 has taken a long time to get through. I propose to get season 5 started soon instead of waiting for the last two games to end. I'll give a couple of days for comments and questions.

I'd say start season 5, as the remaining games don't affect promotion or relagation.

looks like you missed me. I said earlier i want to join ;)

sorry, disregard ;) you didn't. ;)

Damn you Chokecherry I cant catch a breake

Yes, you were just 1 aching game away from promotion to the elite Group, Ineffable, and it doesn't look like Season 5 is going to get any easier for Group B!