Let's remember that all of this is merely opinion based, there is no facts in this argument, thus it is impossible to tell which clan is better unless there is an agreed ranking system...

I would agree, except Lawlz said some interesting things:

[Illuminanti has a]completely inactive player base

We [T4R] have a very active player base

Suggesting that he considers his clan to be better because they are more active. This is clearly false as proved by my exposure of over half of T4R to be inactive.

He later mentioned that his clan is better due to their having a great chief trainer...who appears to be an abysmal player.

We then see that it was never considered to kick inactive players (a huge oversight not helping their reputation here at all) as well as portraying themselves as pretty bitchy, having a clan blacklist thread.

So you may feel the same about Corp, UN, and LN?

They're all pretty bitchy?

I think a mass blacklist thread is bitchy yes.

Get to the point Lawlz. On what basis do you consider your clan to be superior to Illuminanti?

I consider T4R above every clan, with absolutely no reasoning :p

Ah ok. So you accept every post you have made was biased/wrong/dumb.

Nope :3

Everything I said was unbiased, right and intelligent

Yes definitely as I said :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YnQdBD2y64

I guess Lawlz never learned. I am proof that T4R. accepts anybody and doesn't care about activity. I asked to join, I was given an invite and I haven't said anything at all to them since then. Heisenberg and Fuhrer weren't as bad, but now with trolls like Lawlz T4R is done.
On another note clans like UN, CORP, LN? UN is another troll clan completely made up of inactives. CORP has a bit of inactivity but has become much better since Lawlz left, and apart from L'S recent forum capade, they've done well. Honestly, though, Arun's clan is better than any rp clan including the Guild itself.

My question after reading all this is: why join a clan if you're not gonna contribute to it in anyway?

And some T4R people don't care about the so called 'rank' while the majority of actives believe, "Still we must beat the Illuminati in clan rank I don't care how it's done though"
I quoted this off T4R clan forums so you know that this is a real quote.

Edited 4/18/2014 14:37:41

And you know what the next quote was, Red Army. That was a noob that said that quote, but Xethos agrees with myself and Derkaiser(?) about not worrying about that.

Well after hearing this from someone who actually has experience I can rest my case. T4R is as bad as if not worse than Illuminanti, as Hidden Hand seems to want to change his clan.

Red Army, you have been reported for releasing personal information about the clan, and for malicious intent.

lol ^^

Lawlz, do I honestly look like I care about being removed from T4R? Really? A clan with you in it, it's more of an honor to be removed.

xD he only sought to educate potential clan searchers in which clans are best. It just happened to be that T4R is not a good choice :P

Oh and at least he admitted that it was 'personal information' ;)
So that is indeed the T4R goal.

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Edited 4/18/2014 16:04:39