Maybe he talking about this?
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2177

Then hahahaha

well dunga i'm happy that you finally say sorry to us of having insulted us without any cause. i dont having any problems with anyone in this game until u dont insult me. as we said before we are not a 1vs1 clan so playing 9 out of 12 1vs1 in our opinion it is not fair. and more over i dont have any problem to say that you are stronger than me in 1vs1 (how could it be when u played 2000 games and me only 100?) if u wanna play only team games we are absolutely happy to accept your challange until you continue to be polite with us

the only person that i have to blame here is heyheuhei who is being very unpolite with us without any cause, infact i was friendly with him, proposing also to join our clan if he wanted. but he probably has some big problems in life and he is happy to mock people in this game. i just want to have fun here without annoyng anyone and i cannot understand whats ur problem with me. plus i dont know how can u laugh about those tournement in wich there were almost 4 very strong teams. brisk and dreuj fo example.

Sorry, if you think that i am unpolite :/ I am so polite, but my bad english forces seem to be inpolite. Sorry for this. Almost 4 very strong teams?

In that tournament there were no "very strong" teams, maybe 1-2 average+. Heyheuhei's problem is, as I understand, the old statistics vs reality problem. On stock market we have window-dressing, on warlight we have stats-pimping. The general consensus is that your level of play is not at all corelated to your win rate, since good players tend to play among each other. Your clan took it to the next level, you take a group of average+ players and play games with random players (and random players can't play at all), so you pass as great players on paper...

ok i can understand now the why of ur critique but it still doesnt make sense to us. since we never said of being the best here and we never not accept a fair challange. i can understand ur critiques if we ever were arrogant but we didnt if our oppononent is a fair and polite player. i sayd it again we dont have problem with anyone and if someone want to play a 2vs2 against me and bel in romn empire, i will be hppy to have fun in playing an intersting game. but i would like that people before of judjing us would play against us. i donno about my other teammates but all my good stats were performed in the roman empire cos i love that map even if right now i'm starting to play also in other map to be more complete, but as now i can only accept challanges in roman empire. (not cos i'm coward but because i've played more or less 10 games in europe and i really lack of experience in that map)

i hope that now things are clearer and that this ridicolous hate against us will finish. regarding to me i'll delete everything i may think about you, so now i dont have problems with anyone, and if u still dislike us it is your problem and for sure not my fault. good night and obviouslt cmon blues!!!!!!!!!

at szeweningen....Players STATS in that torunament:

Gnuffone 71%
General roemsch 75% ( was 100% when we have play vs him)
Sven 71%
pedro luiz 69%
brisk 74%
dreuj 66%
flyngbender 66%
wonderland 61%
wuterich 64%
kamipier 59%
WM bais 57%
mustadio 59%
larcane 52%
steel 55%
these players are noobs??? all with more than 55% wins.....only 2 teams was really noob.....and the settings was not realy easy with only 1 starting point.....for this heyheuhei have declined it.....

what is elite?? another ones with artifically pumped stats??

guys i told Gnuff already, challenge me to a series of 3 games on europe, 3 players of your clan against me and 2 random players out of 5 names i will give you.

When you win 3 of 3 games, I will stop playing warlight.
When you win 2 of 3 games, I will consider you the Elite.
When you win 1 of 3 games, I will join your clan!
When you make it a challenge, you earn my respect.

Myhandson,
I don't know about the others but I, for one, would . I have always enjoyed games with you. Only problem is, I am very busy moving into a new apartment and am on summer break so my game rate is very low. Maybe we can put this off for a while or do a multi day.

As for this whole argument, I really just don't see why many of you are so opposed and call the whole clan noobs?! First off, the idea of a clan is to play together against others. You also neglect to check all the components of the profile. FFA for instance, is not a team game and many of us have a fairly good ratio. Nevertheless, there are better players; we never claimed to be the top nor the best in anything. We enjoy playing together because we work well together, whether it is a 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5 etc.

Anyway, let's put these differences aside and have friendly and competitive games.

Hello everyone.
i am a bit disappointed reading that some guys take so serious a GAME.
We NEVER said we are the best and we always were respectful with senior members of WL.
But respect must be mutual.
To Retrospeckia and other player that think our stats are "pumped out" i respond that this is not true. Reasons are many:
- requisites to join our clan are very high (70-75% wins) so we select only good players
- we are highly especialized in very few maps (some of our member only in 1 map) and our strenght is TEAMJOB. Most of us are italians and some of us are close friends in real life. So as you can understand, we are a very compact group, and our aim is to play together at warlight. Personally i dont like 1v1 for these reason. I occasionally played it in real life europe map and as you can see in my stats i am not that good as i am in 3vs3.

I think it's ridiculos that some of the best players invited us in 1vs1 in maps we never played before with settings we never use and pretend we are coward because we dont accept.

Myhandisonfire, your proposal is reasonable and we are honorate to accept it. But we will never force you to join our team or to stop playing WL, if you want it it's a your choice. We play only to have fun. For the match i prefer a series of 5 matches to minimize lucky starting points effect, settings could be manual random warlords with 16% lucky or similar.
Let us know your counter.
Luca

i prefer only 3 matches

i think most people are opposed to the use of the name 'elite'. "we never said we are the best..." we only named ourselves the elite (with a table pound # and exclamation point for emphasis!).

if most of you are italian, a better name might've been 'la mafia', 'sicarii', 'mafiosi', 'gladiatori', or anything cool related to roman or italian culture or history.

Evreux, good point. I haven't thought of it like that but honestly, I think it's an awesome name for a clan. Not to sound rude nor personal but I think it's our (or originally Belzebu's) choice. I mean, when I was still with the Warlighters for about a day or so, people I played with thought that I worked for Warlight, haha. So, unless it is against the rules, which it clearly isn't, it's our choice to keep the name. Then, you mention the table pound or exclamation mark. I think it just looks good, there is nothing to it. It's just like other clans who use brackets to separate name with clan name.

Other than that, I do believe that we, or most of us, are somewhat elite. We are better than most players in this game, not the best, but better than most. That is exactly what the stats represent.

Just remember, each to his own.

@evreux
Your claims are ridiculous ..... and the WM clan? War Masters .......there are players like Bais, sailor , vapor x and others so are totally noob and not for sure Masters .....but I always respected them and I never asked them to change the tag team!

We are elite because we are good players and we are competitive ,not only in europe, like the 90% players of this game but in a lots of maps.....

Elite is just a name. Personally me and belzebu are attached to this clan tag since few years ago in other games (mainly fps) and never happened that other players dont like our tag. These are silly behaviours.

About renaming our team with the names you proposed like "mafia", "mafiosi", "sicari" or similar i hope you are joking or simply you dont know anything about my state (notice that italy is a state not a nation!) because differently i consider you highly offensive!

You can not expect to have a clanname like "Elite", along with an attitude of superiority transported on your profiles and not offend people that have proven countless times to be counted to that exclusive club you claim with your clan ID.

As with War Masters, the clan name is so ridiculous that you would feel like a child fighting for a shovel in the sandbox , if you want to set claim on that tag.

The people I know and count as the elite are mostly individualists. In very rare circumstances they would kongregate under a group identity. Allthough in general to modest to publicly announce themselves as the elite, they nonetheless feel to have claim to be part of that small circle. Is it honestly so surprising that they challenge you? Even more so when they feel their claims concerning your stats seems valid?

You are dealing with people that won countless 1on1,2on2 or 3on3 tournaments on various maps, some of them with the hardest competition available in that particular timeframe, yet their stats appear even weaker than the stats of your clanmembers. Does that seem right to you?

Don`t get me wrong, personally i have no problems with your clanmembers that i know, but even I feel offended by that certain attitude of selfrightousness that was transported in some of the comments. That is the reason why i said i am willing to challenge you in the way i did.
Everybody that knows me a bit better, is aware of the fact that i would not join a clan, yet i keep my word.
So if you manage to win that one game out of three games, i will join, even though i would personally feel to have lost the right to count myself to be part of an elite of any sort.
And yes... I would stop playing warlight if i would lose them all.

who let the animals out of their cages?

- "might've been": [see *temporal possibility*](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive_possibility)
- you don't like some of the random examples that *could've been* better than elite? "anything cool related to roman or italian culture or history" *would've been* better, to avoid *appearing* pretentious.
- i didn't *claim* anything. i said 'i think' (an opinion) and talked about being cool (coolness is a perception, nothing more).
- [WM]? (1) WM masks the pretension by using an acronym. (2) #Elite! shouts out "#### I'm Elite! Take notice! ####" (3) a 'master' is a status dependent on one's self and is in no way a comparison to others. 'elite' implies a comparison to others. (4) i doubt any of you are actually elite in its truest sense and limited only to warlight ability. WM could still be masters of war, even if they are not among the elite.

in any case, good luck with your clan. maybe find a better zookeeper to keep the animals tied up.

we have already accept your challenge....i hope u are agree with the settings we normally use for play: 16% luck, 3 manual spots random warlords.