Agree Philippe's idea on challenge so we can have new blood on the "20" list to keep it strongest always.

Criteria maybe negotiable as many great players on WL may not have a WL membership always.... so they can't perform any ladder games.

With a tag on the players' profile, with a site or page of the list, we can see a list of the "20's", a list of ex-20's, a list of honorable clan members who had achieved all 5 requirements, as well as a friends/fans of clan list to show some good players with good game manner who like to be a group of our clan.

My idea is not just to have a strongest team, but as well as we can enjoy the fun as a group enjoying good clean decent games.

I think I can give up my seat on the "20" list if really lots of great players wanna join. I can simply go into the friends/fans list of the clan. :)

Sasha could be challenged to join. 2-4 times Sasha has made a game: I joined team b, others joined my team, Sasha deleted the game. Too preoccupied with stats.

never.

i mean that never happened ._,

PA: also maybe we can run clan games and tournaments as fun and practicing, or even as scorings. We can differentiate clan nature with tags as:
[20]: 20 guys at service for the clan, for ladders and tournaments;
[X20]: ex [20]'s who has been servicing the clan, with records of period of time of service;
[F20]: players interested to join the [20] with both good skills and game manner, justified by both winning rates/boot rates + minimum referrals by 3 present [20] members or by 5 ex [20] members;
[H20]: so called "honorable" members or "Hall of Fame", players who satisfied all the 5 requirements(or what requirements we finally agreed) or contributed alot to the clan. No superior rights on WL votings/ decisions.... simply a kind of memory even one day that player no longer plays WL.

In case the clan needs to make a decision, or settle any disputes, or change any "constitutions" or system, [20] can have 3 votes, [X20] and [H20] have 2 votes and [F20] have 1 vote.

while [F20] members can have a chance to join the [20] list based on internal clan games and tournaments.... another kind of challenge system to keep the [20] list with new blood.

BTW, for requirements, should be ok to using them:

i. Once/currently ranked in the top 5 of the 1 v 1 ladder.

ii. Once/currently ranked in the top 2 of the 2 v 2 ladder.

iii. Have a 70%+ winning percentage in 3 v 3s (to be confirmed by being invited to a game: too many watered down stats).
(maybe also good to consider 1v1s or 2v2s or others excluding FFA)


For the start of the [20], maybe good to use the following two... but in the long run, it maybe a bit subjective to use HHH or PA's tournaments results. Of coz u guys pick good players to join, but some great players probably not playing with these tournaments too much. I think maybe good if we can replace it in future with internal clan tournament games among [20],[X20] and [F20] members:


iv. Have a 50%+ winning percentage in one of HHH's seven or eight 1 v 1 round-robin tournaments (HHH only invites the best to his tournaments, and winning half or more of your matches against these players is not easy).

v. Having made it to the championship game of a 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 tournament (no strange settings).

Besides of skills, we should also consider others. I think it is neccesary that all clan players, especially the [20]'s to put the clan title on their names. So they represent the clan when playing. We should reserve the seats to good players who are willing to play for the name of the clan.

Also, we should not grant any clan players the honorary clanship before the clan players have did great achievements for the name of the clan, such as be the top of 1v1 ladder or 2v2 ladders or won some big tournaments. It would be rather unfair to the future honorary clan members who did great achievements in future if we grant it now based on loosely and meaninglessly at the stage of start.

The idea of farm-clan is really great in order to keep best 20 players in the main one clan. But first those clans (or we may call them 'Leagues') should be officially implemented in WarLight system, so that not only changed Tag-line or Nickname divided members of the League from all the others (f.i. now I can easily become part of WM group just by changing my name).
That's why I propose to make a list of all who wants to participate and happily vote for this suggestion: http://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/1106335-leagues?ref=title.
That will be an answer to many questions.

can we invite also bytjie to the clan?

I think this is a great idea and I'll try to not feel slighted at the lack of mention in the above posts ;P

When I saw Ruth's stats, I thought it'd be fun to see where I stood in comparison:

i. Once/currently ranked in the top 5 of the 1 v 1 ladder.
*-Was ranked 4th.*

ii. Once/currently ranked in the top 2 of the 2 v 2 ladder.
*-Was ranked 1st.*

iii. Have a 70%+ winning percentage in 3 v 3s (to be confirmed by being invited to a game: too many watered down stats).
*-[72% 3v3 - 28/39](http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=78625626)*

iv. Have a 50%+ winning percentage in one of HHH's seven or eight 1 v 1 round-robin tournaments (HHH only invites the best to his tournaments, and winning half or more of your matches against these players is not easy).
*-I don't tend to join HHH's Round Robin tourneys as the game count is usually 5 games at a time (more 1v1's than I enjoy playing at one go) but I thought this might make an adequate substitute: [Fizzer's 18 person Round Robin - 1st Place](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=1377)*

v. Having made it to the championship game of a 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 tournament (no strange settings).
*-[3v3 Double Earth - 1st Place](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=1317)*
*-[2v2 British Isles - 2nd Place](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=232)*
*-[2v2 Earth - 1st Place](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=204)*

So assuming my other round robin is accepted, I qualify for the elusive 5/5 which is pretty cool. I'm kind of in the same boat as Ruth about the name change tho. I also have never changed my name since I started on here and would probably prefer to keep it that way. I'm not sure I'd say it'd be a deal breaker for me but it would definitely not be ideal.

who tf is eitz?!? :P

Im up for it.

just assume you guys make a real clan named [20] , what is the possibility that you can restrict anyone from illegally make their name look like myname[20].....


you guys must talk to fizzer on this topic ....

Vostro, like Diablo, it won't be preventable.. it won't be preventable until/if Fizzer decides to implement actual clans, in which case they won't have to change their names and Ruthless would be able to join w/o ruining his name

Eitz: you are fully qualified based on Philippe's requirements, Pls check with Philippe Auguste if you really wanna form a small but specialized clan.

Vostio/Perrin: true. ofc players can put on the tag illegally pretending he is one of those of our great clan... Yet, with a page tagged on our profiles, we can simply find the whole list showing who are the present fight team of the clan and who are ex fight team and who are friends of the clan. So should be nowhere to hide.

Also, we can open a thread here and we update our new clan members here. I think except a few hilarious players, few players would find pretending interesting. I think my friends would laugh at me if I pretend to be a great clan members but actually I'm not.

lol. yeah. i keep hearing 'people will add the clan name to their name, what will you do?' i will laugh at that person first. and not care second. it's going to be a clan/group/league of good players. no player will join it unless they have:

- been invited bc for meeting the requirements
- won a challenge/met the requirements (if they ask to join)
- been approved by others

good players don't have time or interest in joining clans/groups they don't belong to.

and if a bad/average player joins, it will be pretty obvious he doesn't belong, based on his ability (which can be deducted from his moves, which are the best way to judge a player, and stats, which are an imperfect indication of ability).

right now we are forming the core group. later we will invite others.

look at my 3v3 4v4 win rate

2v2/3v3/4v4 stats: you are god. ladder stats: you are decent. which is true?