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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:23:39

[FEL]Chatul
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By genocide by ethnic bioweapon, I mean any organization or individual using genetic differences among humans to suddenly kill most, if not all members of a particular genetic group due to the incorrect belief that in doing so they can get rid of certain ancestry-based groups that correspond to what are currently called races and ethnic groups. (In reality I doubt they can have a casualty rate of 80%+ due to the fact that these groups aren't well-defined genetically to begin with).

Also I'm not talking about limited usage of these doomsday weapons in war on the battlefield. On the other hand, I mean using them against civilians for the sole purpose of complete, global destruction of entire peoples when there is no war.

How can this be prevented? If such weapons are used even once this can easily lead to even more usage including destruction of humanity. Another issue is that even if one faction (such as Germans or Japanese) managed to wipe out everyone else what will happen is that those who are previously considered one group may fragment into different groups and this global genocide just repeats. This is just like Stalinist purges. No matter how "pure" the world is there is always more "impurity" to purge.

Edited 10/13/2016 17:28:33
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:24:58


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Also I'm not talking

Good.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:37:28

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It's really not that ethnic bioweapon is the only issue. What about a gender bioweapon? What if some crazy radical feminist believes that the very existence of men is a form of oppression and there can be no freedom for women if men continue to exist. Then she develops a weapon to kill all men. What if a bunch of frustrated single males who are highly educated and have access to labs develop a gender bioweapon to kill all women? What about an anti-human bioweapon? Like someone who only wants himself/herself to exist with everyone else dead. There is actually some evolutionary incentive for Mr.A to make sure that nobody other than him and his family exists. Ironically an ethnic bioweapon is unlikely to be as accurate and deadly as a gender/anti-human bioweapon since in the latter case the genes to remove are actually pretty clear. None of these will happen with a genocidal war declared first. Instead it will be a global, devastating sudden attack from which no members of the targeted group are expected to survive. In these cases it won't even be clear who may be behind these attacks. This is a bit like people mass spamming WL forums. However there are no Fizzer/mods and the community is permanently destroyed.

Edited 10/13/2016 17:44:19
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:59:20


Жұқтыру
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Also I'm not talking
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/14/2016 21:44:18


Von Jewburg
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That's impossible Chatul. You're no different from Karl.

The Kikes are behind everything. They're getting the shitskins to attack us

How can this be prevented? If such weapons are used even once this can easily lead to even more usage including destruction of humanity.


You're both fucking paranoid, and you both should get it through your minds that maybe humans just want to be fucking left alone from your grand political schemes and shitpost as we damn please.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/14/2016 23:07:31

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[Downvoted all trolly comments. Upvoted thread. Whatever you think of the original poster, this is a legitimate topic for the OT forum.]

It's a good question, and I wonder if there are any good answers for it. I think the only really effective long-term defence against this is to educate people about 'race' and human genetics and origins. Basically, attack the false *belief* that would motivate such a weapon in the first place.

Currently, the difficulty of engineering such a weapon is the main thing deterring their development. But eventually, the difficulty will drop and it will then become difficult to keep the necessary tools and methods out of the wrong hands.

One thing that's going for us, I suppose, is that in order to engineer such a weapon, you kinda have to have some real understanding of how evolution works, which, ironically, will undermine such racist beliefs in the first place. But I fear that eventually the technology required will become so cheap and ubiquitous that even someone with no real understanding of evolution could use it.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 00:07:22


Жұқтыру
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WL approved source


http://www.strawpoll.me/11430434

I suppose I'm just a troll


no just spastic and awkward.

"liberty was invented by the white race"
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 00:59:07


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[Downvoted all trolly comments. Upvoted thread. Whatever you think of the original poster, this is a legitimate topic for the OT forum.]

I'm pretty sure this is the third thread with the same original post...
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:10:01

wct
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But then again, I suppose I'm just a troll .
I don't down-vote people, I down-vote comments. Your last two comments (before this ^ one) are very good by my standard (which is signal-to-noise ratio).
There are physical differences in the genetics of the different breeds of homo-sapien. You could develop a disease that targets high-melanin homo-sapiens, or Negros. Whites and most East Asians would be spared from this disease, but it would affect much of the world's population.
Theoretically, you could target such superficial differences. It would be difficult, though, and you'd likely end up getting a lot of false-positives and false-negatives, such as high-melanin non-Africans and low-melanin Africans.

Also, something with such a simplistic targeting selectivity would probably be relatively easy to develop a vaccine against.
Also, I agree it would be difficult but national socialist governments have been proven pretty effective in research, creating advances in rocketry, radio technology, etc.
Interestingly, though, they did not do well with biology, since most of them a) fundamentally misunderstood inheritance (thinking in terms of 'bloodlines', and other such folk-genetics), and b) rejected Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection (contrary to what many believe).
See, humans all possess different qualities confirmed by their DNA.
This is true.
This DNA is constructed differently by race
But this is not. There is no such identifiable 'construction by race'. There are no such 'races', in fact. Yes, people inherit features from their ancestors. But inheriting features is not the same thing as a 'race'. Otherwise, you would have to declare that there is a 'race' of 'blue eyed people' and a 'race' of 'brown-eyed people', etc.
We could create diseases that target certain DNA construction and ignore our own DNA. There are plenty of disease that affect DNA already, it's not a far fetched idea. In addition to this, we could hand out vaccines to the population at the will of the biological warfare and force them into a sort of slave labor force.
Again, the main thing is that at present even the basic idea would be very difficult, and the 'race'-based designs you're talking about are basically impossible; because there are no actual 'races' of humans.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:12:37
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:11:31

wct
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I'm pretty sure this is the third thread with the same original post...

Really? Where are the other two?
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:22:37

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>everyone who disagrees with me is a retard

You make it so easy to use your own arguments against you. It's so so satisfying.

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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:28:14

wct
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keep derailing

Instead of feeding trolling with a reply, just downvote the comments and move on.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 02:46:23

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Interesting, I've not heard of the term 'Samson Option', but Paugers if you're trying to make sense of what Tabby's talking about, it's probably better to start with the much more well-known game theory strategy called Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), which is what the Cold War peace was/is based upon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

Also check out the movies "Dr. Strangelove" (for a satirical look) and "WarGames" (<spoiler>especially the finale/climax scene, where the computer finally realizes: "The only way to win is not to play."</spoiler>).

Edited 10/15/2016 02:56:27
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 15:39:30


Major General Smedley Butler
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^Yep. That's the Samson Option. If nuked (or even heavily attacked?) Israel will nuke everywhere including Europe.

And you ask why people hate you. You f**king advocate the extermination of the human species if you lose a war.

Edited 10/15/2016 15:39:51
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 17:31:39


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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^kek'd
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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 18:28:38


Von Jewburg
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Let's look at a race war in the US.

Whites (because Karl wouldn't consider Hispanics white, we'll exclude them) make up 61.8% of the US population. Everyone else (including Hispanic Whites) are 38.2% of the population.

Religiously, non-Christians make up 24.8% of the population. Singling out certain churches to count as "degenerate" would require a lot more data. 3.8% of Americans are gay, so no to them.
So, the straight, white Christian population of the US is...
about 45%. Not the majority, but would be one of the largest groups in Karl's dream race war.

Now I'm sure even though they're all straight, white Christians, some may be from a lower stock of white people.
15% of the US population has German ancestry. Now if we single out only the white Germans...
6.76% of Americans are of the straight white German Christian type that Karl would say would rebuild American society, about 21.6 million. We'll obviously need to exclude women, as the white women's role should not be on the battlefield. Karl now has 10.6 million soldiers for his race war.
Now we must eliminate age. The elderly and the young wouldn't dare be put on the battlefield of the race war. In the US, all people who can be conscripted are between 18 and 45. A total of 1.4% of Americans are in reserve or active.

So Karl, the number of trained men for your race war is .04% of the US population. 127,560 trained, German white Christian males.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 19:14:05


Major General Smedley Butler
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They have to be rich land owners though, peasants can't serve in the Karlinian Army
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 19:15:55


Major General Smedley Butler
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Jews don't actually want to exterminate humans. They just do that to prevent goyyim from exterminating Jews. It's a pure defensive strategy.

It's not a pure defensive strategy when you're striking out at non-aggressors.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 19:36:30


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It would have limited utility since Eurasian people are closely genetically related. I think its only application would be in a war between Eurasians and Sub-Saharan Africans, because those two groups have a profound genetic dissimilarity. Such a war would be unlikely considering the current state of affairs. If Eurasians wanted to wipe out non-Eurasians they could do so easily through conventional warfare.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 20:01:02

[FEL]Chatul
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^The world is almost always divided between two alliances of roughly equal power. Now there are people who scream white nationalism. Remember when it was 1860s, China suffered setbacks and Japan had not risen. At that time it was possible to not just have white nationalism but also exterminate everyone not of European origin. However we also knew what happened. UK and Germans helped Japan instead of other Europeans. Now you got a Japanese Empire. Right now it's actually possible to have a pan-Eurasian alliance that wipe out everyone else. However as we will see that alliance won't exist until/if at least 40% of global population being black. If 90% of all humans are black I'm pretty sure that almost all Eurasians will stick together. Of course if blacks suddenly disappear that alliance will immediately disappear as well.

Don't ever try to purify the world racially since it is impossible. Even if the word "human" is identical to the word "Russian" since all non-Russians are dead Russians will be divided into competing groups (North Russians, South Russians, Siberian Russians, etc) and the world isn't racially pure yet.

Edited 10/15/2016 20:04:46
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 20:13:16


The Lord
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Call this an ad hominem if you wish, but... why does the vast majority of racial purists give the impression that they're virgins who will never be able to reproduce with a woman of ANY race?
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:09:45


Жұқтыру
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"I'm actually someone that should never be given any political power or I will be another Pol Pot."

>tfw when you realise that you've actually been spewing out awful rubbish this whole time

That said, I'd most likely take your rule over Pauger's though, as least you want it to be egalitarian or some shid like that.

Edited 10/16/2016 03:11:24
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:09:47


The Lord
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Fair enough, the quality of the average woman these days is indeed deplorable.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:14:24


Жұқтыру
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>tfw when Tabby is converting from Zionism to Nazism
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:27:09


Major General Smedley Butler
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If we include other breeds we risk disrupting and world order and create the world we have today, and all the times before it.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:39:41


Major General Smedley Butler
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MGSB: Kekek, I'll just mock da goy without making arguments and spread the Jewish lies!

"Waaah everything that I don't agree with is Jewish!"
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:42:43


Major General Smedley Butler
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^
Socialism is disgusting, promotes poverty and abuse of the environment.


Fixed it for you
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/16/2016 03:44:28


Major General Smedley Butler
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Also, Negros will not share cultural values with everyone else, their lower IQ forces to think only for their own tribes.

You're quite literally only thinking for your own tribe at pretty much all times, you're being a hypocrite. Nationalism is born out of tribalism, thinking for your nation, your folk, etc.
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