Beat him in the 400 games game.....that'll teach him.

I read this thread ... holy crap ! Guys ... discussions about politics and religion never lead to peace only to war. But thats the name of the game :).

war, however.. does lead to peace...

I agree - it did spur American sentiments against Germany, but it was just one of many events. From Richard Davis Harding's account of the burning of Louvain, to Lusitania, to numerous other sinkings, and even the deportation of Belgians in the fall of 1916. I could go into the Wilson's election that year and the impact it had on the discourse as well. While the Lusitania was perhaps the most famous of these events, it was hardly the only one. I am just being pedantic because I study WW1 history though :) Dont mind meeee

Don't test me on WW1 My knowledge is limited on it but dayum I would burn the crap out of anyone on WW2 History

What it all comes down to is that ever since the Revolutionary War, any war or problem that America does not poke it's nose into we are chastised for. America is forced to do something every time there is a problem in the world, because for whatever reasons, good or bad, we have taken the role of "World Police" and it sucks. That doesn't mean that we're on the positive end of conflict, just that we are forced to choose sides.

I would never say that the War against Japan was parented or that the Japanese were not provoked, but to begin with the Japanese were in the wrong in their campaign in Asia to begin with. America is forced to do something every time there is a problem in the world, because for whatever reasons, good or bad, we have taken the role of "World Police" and it sucks. That doesn't mean that we're on the positive end of conflict, just that we are forced to choose sides. as to the Nuclear bombs (you talk like there was 1 but it was 2), it was unfortunately necessary. In Japans favor, I would say that it was over-powered. In America's favor however, I would say a couple things. First is that it is in the Japanese culture that they will fight to the death or until they cannot fight any more, so without the bomb, the war would have gone on much longer and involved many more deaths. Another thing I would say in America's favor is that we did warn the Japanese government before each bomb, instead of just dropping them out of the blue.

As to Germany? That entire war was messed up from every perspective. Germany had the Holocaust(I really don't care if you Germans deny it, it happened), Russia destroyed much of it's own land and sacrificed millions of people in the war as well as killing political enemies of the government. America was selling shit to both sides of the war and claiming not to be involved. France lost (not something messed up, just like to say that it happened "again").

As to the Irish vs. Britain? I'm sorry but the rest of the world doesn't care, you should just fight it out and get it over.

on the subject of the cold war: it never could have escalated, because at the time we were the only 2 countries in the world with enough left to fight with, and the entire world would have been left in ruin if it had happened, both sides knew that. because it would have had to been a nuclear war.

As a last note on America, I would like to say on a positive note that after every war, we have given trillions of dollars in aid afterward to help the people who were misplaced and devastated as a negative effect of war.

anyone who would like to discuss these things further are welcome to go to my site and with enough interest I will even make a separate forum category for it. to the OP i would like to say that I am sorry our posts are this far off topic

that is all, goodbye

Germans know exactly that the holocaust happened, so you shouldnt imply they did. Besides, denying that in germany is a criminal act and no trivial offense.

shouldnt imply that they dont

this forum needs an edit mode
seriously

I know that in Germany it is forbidden to deny it, but I have also heard from multiple Germans who claim to not believe it or claim that it was much less intense than most of the world believes

The world isnt asking America to help for years now. America chooses where it wants to help, do you have police in your city that only comes to help if you have something they want?I love how the US turns over its operations in libya to NATO and all you hear about is how a Canadian is running things now,A Canadian that served 30 something years in the US military lol.

It is true that the US has not been "asked" to help recently (except Isrial), but it's also true that if we don't we get railed for it.....think of Egypt, we didn't respond, and get railed in worldwide media for not taking a stand for one side or the other

Hey Fizzer, will you please delete this off-topic thread?

The only media i saw railing the US for not getting involved is the media from the US. Not to mention the only reason there was any question of what the US was going to do in Egypt is because the US has given that "terrible" government over 70 billion dollars? Not unlike how they just 4 years ago deemed libya good enough to resume trade with?

So Dansonno its fine for you to say nukes rule and that its ok for the states to do whatever it wants because "if you shake the hornets nest" you deserve it. But if anyone questions the US's foreign policies you want the thread deleted?

No. It's just that I thought this was gonna be over soon. Not nearly 100 off topic posts.

So stop reading it Dans

and in my opinion what it comes down to is that America is not perfect, and our government definitely needs improvement, but is an over-all GREAT country. People judge America on the actions of it's government, which is Bull-sh*t, because one of the main points of America is that it was intended to be a country of the people, and the government is a supervisor. So judge us on our individual merits and personalities, not the actions of our government. America gives more money per-capita to charity than almost ANY other country. We also provide more aid and support (personal, not from our government)to other countries especially in times of disaster.

so what I'm saying is: America is flawed, but American's are not flawed by extension.

I say any forum invovlving religion orm polotics should be deleted! Whos with me?

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I agree Eagle! Im Canadian and we are just a bunch of tag alongs when it comes to government as far as im concerned.Government is supposed to represent the people, and oil interests overseas only represents the top 1/2% of the population, The same 1/2% that are shipping all the jobs overseas to get cheaper labor.Im not judging Americans at all, i have no problem separating government from the population, they seem to be completely different from one another.