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Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:45:34


Dublin Warrior 
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I am Calling out Жұқтыру, > https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6626822151 <
Clan Hijacker:

So you think that changing the Clan Picture to a Nazi flag and changing our Clan Bio to a Ransom Note validates your arguments?

This is your idea of discussing things like a grownup?

Holding our clan hostage?

Wow, just wow.

Do I think the Japanese government and people should do more to fix their egregious past sins?
Yes, of course.

Do I think that the USA should do more to fix their egregious past sins?
Yes, of course.

Do I think that all nations and all governments and all societies have past sins that they should do more to fix?
Yes, of course.

Does holding our clan hostage help your arguments?

No, in fact, it hurts your arguments because it just proves that you will stoop to whatever level is necessary to get your way...

that you think you are above the rules that apply to everyone else,

that your opinions and beliefs are more important than anyone else's,

and that you should be able to take whatever measures are necessary to enforce your opinions and beliefs on others,
because in your eyes, your opinions and beliefs are more important than the rules...

not exactly the kind of example that you want to set for the nation of Japan, or anyone else, is it now?

Edited 9/20/2015 01:50:10
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:49:43


Lolicon love
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Don't forget pinning the blame on Andres.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:50:46


Dublin Warrior 
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I/We will deal with that separately.

As I am not Mr. Fizzer or an IT specialist,

I, as a relatively new member of CORP,

with no authority over clan operations,

have no real evidence of how it was done, beyond a basic knowledge of other clans being hacked in the past, and the knowledge that the weakest link is thru a fraudulent login of a player's account.

I have no evidence that Andres or anyone else was negligent or complicit in the hacking of my clan, CORP.

In addition Жұқтыру has made it quite clear that he was behind it,
as he practically told us that he would do so on the Main Forums for all to see.

That, coupled with the Ransom Note is quite compelling.

Edited 9/20/2015 01:59:58
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:52:30


Hostile
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How an argument can be right or wrong ? It is either a well constructed one or not.

Fallacies or false information does not make an argument wrong.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:53:00


Жұқтыру
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When did I pin the blame on Andrés?

I don't think anyone noticed, but I was offline for when this happened. I did not do it and this is not the first time someone has been framed for hijacking a clan.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:54:33


Жұқтыру
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How an argument can be right or wrong ? It is either a well constructed one or not.


Well, there are arguments that can be tested; f.e. what is the fastest way to do something?

Fallacies or false information does not make an argument wrong.


It does invalidate it, though.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:55:28


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Kapy is not to blame here. CORP management has been a joke when it comes to preventing coups. This is the third one in four months.

Until Kazuki, Andres, and the rest of their little club steps down and leaves MR to actual managers, this is going to keep happening.

Edited 9/20/2015 01:56:08
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 01:57:32


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Whoever hijacked CORP needs to be held responsible and the swastika needs to be replaced. That said, it is also worth noting that Japan has killed millions of Chinese, Korean, and Southeast Asians under the Imperial Japanese flag.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:06:03


Dublin Warrior 
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Hostile, then it is worth noting that US Government, and many governments in Europe were also responsible for the deaths of millions... to say nothing of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, many African nations... etc, etc, etc...

Further, I didn't say his argument was wrong, I said that his actions hurt his arguments...

Kapy, Loli was asking me to also blame Andres, which I don't have the information to support.

Жұқтыру, are you saying that you didn't type the veiled threat in the thread discussing CORP?

Knyte, with all due respect, someone did this, and did so maliciously.
A poor lock on the door is no excuse for the person who broke in,
and I'm shocked that you would suggest differently.

Edited 9/20/2015 02:09:13
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:08:56


Hostile
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Actions is ad hominem.

Dublin made a bad argument.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:10:40


The Onion
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You don't have any information to say X did it either, nor proof this was a stupid post and i advise you try to get it removed until you have sufficient evidence.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:11:02


Dublin Warrior 
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Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.[3]

You were saying, Hostile?



Onion, I don't have any evidence?

Where did you get that idea?

Edited 9/20/2015 02:13:35
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:12:43


Lolicon love
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Do all after dark members worship juq and all his actions or what.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:13:10


Zalamar
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Holy shit!
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:15:14


Dublin Warrior 
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Loli, let's just say that Onion is not in a position to represent themself as impartial... :-/

I don't think I represented myself that way, but damn, way to fall on your sword, Onion.

Edited 9/20/2015 02:16:05
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:15:59


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Dear god. Some people just want to watch the world argue. I am one of them, and while you argue I will stand here watching on a recliner with chips in hand. Premium brand.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:17:17


Hostile
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It is more exciting when you take part of the action.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:17:22


Жұқтыру
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Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact


As I understand this phrase, it means I can be criticised for how dubious my fact statements are, which you are not doing.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:17:46


Dublin Warrior 
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Welcome to the show.

If people are going to continually drag my clan's name thru the mud,

eventually even a kind-hearted diplomat like myself is going to respond in kind.


Жұқтыру, it means that if you act like a hypocrite

by doing whatever you feel like regardless of how it affects other people in the furtherance of your own beliefs

which in this case is that CORP is defending / promoting / Japan's mid-20th Century behavior of...

wait for it... doing whatever Japan felt like regardless of how it affects other people in the furtherance of its collective beliefs that the Japanese were superior to several other ethnic groups...

than you are acting like a criminal to protest other people acting like criminals,

and you should be called on it. >:)

Edited 9/20/2015 02:27:02
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:20:35


Жұқтыру
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Loli, let's just say that Onion is not in a position to represent themself as impartial... :-/


What makes you say that? Onion believes me on this point; you've no evidence to support this, that Onion is in anyone going to get good things if he backs me up/bad things if he doesn't.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:21:05


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You have 0 evidence, I of course will defend X because the things you have accused him of doing have been given no evidence to bolster what you are saying, all you have is some obscure bio or tagline whatever it is.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:24:20


Жұқтыру
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He does have evidence supporting that I did it/I was framed, I compared the Japanese Empire flag with the Nazi flag. He has no proof, though.

Or maybe I will put CORP flag as the nazi swatstika, hey, just a simple of peace, right?


Edited 9/20/2015 02:24:50
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:25:52


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Yeah and butler would also throw himself under a bus for juq. That's like 50% of A_D excluding juq.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:27:43


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Or maybe we are all Jhuq, or maybe Jhuq is I? :O :o /\
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:28:04


Жұқтыру
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Just since the members in A.D. support me and respect me doesn't mean that they're impartial.
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:28:37


Dublin Warrior 
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plus, all of A_D was kinda sorta dragged into the bar fight that the CORP thread turned into...

I wasn't gonna go there Onion, because I do, in fact, lack any evidence for it...

but if you are gonna stick your foot in your mouth, then let me help you swallow it... :-/

Edited 9/20/2015 02:29:56
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:29:15


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I am sorry but wouldn't Loli also be a candidate for doing this, or Andres? or basically anyone I mean CORP gives out manager rights willy nilly.

Edited 9/20/2015 02:31:43
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:29:49


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Edited 9/20/2015 02:30:21
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:30:03


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all of A_D was kinda sorta dragged into the bar fight


only 2 of us have commented?
Calling out Жұқтыру, Clan Hijacker.: 9/20/2015 02:30:17


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lol nvm
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