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Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/24/2015 15:50:52


ChrisCMU 
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So right now games remaining:

B - Frank vs Metatron
F - BlacKnight vs Noobschool


Is it possible to post promotions and relegation's now? We know that if Metatron wins, Frank is relegated and if not Tenshi is relegated. Neither Noobschool or BlacKnight will finish in the bottom or top 2 in F.

That means groups next season should be (THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL WORD, JUST IMO)...

Group A
Krzychu
Jefferspin
FlyingBender
Timon
grona
Falker
Mirror

Group B
Ineffable (drop and replace with Master Turtle?)
Master Miyagi
his balls
Orange
Frank/Tenshi
Timinator
Pushover

Group C
Frank/Tenshi
Metatron
Master Turtle (replace with Marachel?)
Beren
Old Surehand
Master Bjarke
rocky1

Group D
Master Atom
Bigchps147
Marechal Lannes (replace with Ollie?)
JV
Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault (demote and replace with Darkpie?)
Master of the Dead
Verzehrer

Group E
Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault
Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault
Ollie (replace with demoted Ferede/smilyleg/Andersault?)
Darkpie (replace with Polakillo?)
Dr Walter Ego
ChrisCMU
Don [ Ω ]

Group F (8 players currently)
ps
Wenyun
Polakillo (promote with Ineffable drop from B and dominoes after?)
ARand0mPlayer
BlacKnight
Noobschool
Master of desaster
linberson

Group G (6 players currently)
bobbob000
ChristophU
almosttricky
Oh Noes
Taisho
Pexito
Stormers

Group H
Auroch
Great Expanse
J0twe
Glorious Koala
butterfly94
USA Biches *super promotion from J
Buns157 *super promotion from J

Group I
MightySpeck
indibob
Benjamin628
awsomeusername
Hades
The Cruelest
Indiana Jones

Group J
ColonelCardwell
Gimli
Hostile
Kain
Arkanton
SAM
Fleecmaster

Group K (8 people)
Platinum
Des
ipg
Ryzys
Cat Juggernaut
Chewie
Jack
Bayern Munchen

Group L1+ (new players)
AWESOMEGUY
mslasm
kirdol
huddyj
Angry Koala
Masterpierround
zanbato
tojam2
PhucilliJerry
jz
ThePop(P)e_(o)(o)
Onoma94

Not sure how you are sorting out the 3 way tie at the bottom of D.

My recommendation on A would be to drop Ineffable (I have not heard from him in months, he may not be coming back). If you do this, then promote 1 extra player down to group F, and you take care of the issue with 8 players in F.

Since G has 6 players, I suggest only relegating 1 as 4th and 5th were 2-3 and 6th was 0-5 (seems like a good delineation line).

Since H only has 4 players (and my suggestion is to only drop 1 from G), don't drop anyone there (already have 4 promotion slots available).

I did J as overall records across all J divisions, not sure how Frank will handle that.

Edited 11/24/2015 15:58:47
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/24/2015 15:56:27


ChrisCMU 
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So if you want to demote all in the 3 way tie AND drop Ineffable, you could put the 3 way people in E and bump Ollie and Darkpie up to D. Master Turtle would take Ineffable's spot in B and Marachel would take his spot in C. Polakillo would get promoted from the 8 person group to fill the other spot vacated by Ollie and Darkpie getting promoted. I will make my edits in the post above to make it clearer.

This would make all groups 7 players except L

Edited 11/24/2015 15:59:43
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/24/2015 16:01:47


Master Turtle 
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I like Chris's idea.... Unfortunately I'm with Timinator for like the 3rd or 4th straight season lol
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/24/2015 17:08:13


s1gmoyd
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When will the new thread start?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/24/2015 17:43:37


Deadman 
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I thought I just shook off that group of death. Would bloody suck to have all of them in my group again :P
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/24/2015 17:50:55


ChrisCMU 
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to be fair, once you are in the top 4 divisions it will be very competitive. I mean look at frank or Tenshi getting relegated.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/25/2015 16:24:05


Pushover 
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NoobSchool has 2 games left, not 1

Orange dropping out affects the promotions and relegations a lot, also our assessment of whether Ineffable is active or not. I agree with you Chris, we should probably remove him. I got a private mail from him on the 15th saying "sorry will be off for a while" and he is currently playing no games. But it's Frank's decision.

The rule Frank tends to use for promotions is that group N gets #1 and #2 from N-1, then #1 from N-2. But as dropouts mount, it gets more holistic... obviously we want to avoid promoting losing records and such.

Frank won't even consider promotions and relegations until he's done stalling the league lol

Edited 11/25/2015 16:26:51
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/25/2015 16:50:17


Prabster Realm
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Can i join
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/26/2015 10:49:19


Min34 
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Would like to join this again :)
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/26/2015 11:41:37


Verzehrer 
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For Dropouts I'd consider replacing them by Super-Promotions of the 1sts of every league. Guys that go with a record of 6-0 or 5-1 deserve to get up'ed (and I would possibly avoid MotD next round : D).
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/28/2015 11:04:27


s1gmoyd
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When will Prom/Rel 18 start?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 11/28/2015 14:22:36


Legacy 
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Sign me up for 18.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/6/2015 08:09:28


Pushover 
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GROUP B - FINISHED
Falker (4-2, 1-1, 17) - WINNER
Mirror (4-2, 1-1, 18, 1-0) - 2nd
his balls. (4-2, 1-1, 18, 0-1)
Orange (3-3) - Leaving the league (forum post)
Tenshi (2-4, 1-1, 1)
Metatron (2-4, 1-1, 4, 1-0)
Frankdeslimste • apex (2-4, 1-1, 4, 0-1)

The group has finally finished... with Metatron beating Frank by boot, in a game that seemed to be pretty even. Gee Frank are you really that scared of playing me next season? :P Tenshi beating Falker wins him the tiebreaker, and he avoids relegation.

Therefore Noobschool officially takes the title of league staller, as he still has 2 games remaining in group F.

Edited 12/6/2015 08:10:55
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/6/2015 09:57:48


huddyj
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Hi Pushover, can you please explain your secondary tie-breaker to me. What does Falker's '17' mean, and Mirror and his balls' '18'? Could prove useful in resolving ties within the Small Earth League that I run. Thanks.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/6/2015 12:26:13


s1gmoyd
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The large number will be turns.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/6/2015 13:51:29


Turkish
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i'd like to participate next season too
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/6/2015 14:16:55

Dom365 
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I'll join next season.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/7/2015 08:28:33


Pushover 
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Great question huddyj. tojam, you are wrong.

As Frank as explained in previous threads, if it's still tied after head to head, the tiebreak goes to the strongest wins outside of the tie. The number corresponds to the sum of the places of players beaten outside the tie.

In the case of Falker/Mirror/his balls, all three players beat Metatron and Frank (6 + 7 = 13) but Falker beat Orange (4 + 6 + 7 = 17) while the others beat Tenshi (5 + 6 + 7 = 18). Therefore Falker wins the tiebreaker by virtue of beating a higher ranked player, Orange. (Mirror beats his balls in head-to-head)

Similarly, Tenshi's only win outside the tie was against Falker (1) while Frank and Metatron beat Orange (4), so Tenshi wins the tiebreaker that decides relegation.

Edited 12/7/2015 16:33:00
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/7/2015 09:05:03


Phoenix
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Dam i wish i had more time this season, school and thesis just came with this season.
Not counting clan league.

Haven't even looked at this topic.

me and frank should have a rematch in C though which I think it is fair.

good job everyone, deserved your victories more then me.

Edited 12/7/2015 09:06:04
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/7/2015 09:06:52


huddyj
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Thanks for explaining that to me, Pushover. I have used a similar but more complicated system. Basically, if 3 players are still tied on head-to-head, then I give them a secondary win/loss record based on the combined win count of those players they have beaten (wins) vs the combined win count of those players they've lost against (losses). In this case it would be:

Falker (4-2, 1-1, 11-6)
Mirror (4-2, 1-1, 10-7, 1-0)
his balls. (4-2, 1-1, 10-7, 0-1)
Orange (3-3)
Tenshi (2-4, 1-1, 6-13)
Metatron (2-4, 1-1, 5-14, 1-0)
Frankdeslimste • apex (2-4, 1-1, 5-14, 0-1)

Edit: Of course, neither system works if they've each won/lost against exactly the same players.

Edited 12/7/2015 09:10:16
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/7/2015 16:30:39


Pushover 
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Your way of presenting the tiebreak is cleaner, but I think using rank is slightly more robust, as two players can have same wins and losses but still be placed differently.

And indeed, that's the main weakness, when record outside of tie is identical. Lord Syvedyas has proposed to me in the past using kill ratios among players involved in the tie. That is, armies killed / armies lost. The idea is that lopsided games are rewarded/penalized more than close games. It will certainly decide a winner, but it's also somewhat arbitrary. Frank declined to implement this idea.

In the original rules of this league when Chokecherry ran it, 3 way ties or more that couldn't be broken on head to head were broken by a tiebreaker RR tournament among the tied players. Frank didn't like the way this extended the season, so he discontinued the practice.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/7/2015 16:42:52


Wenyun 
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Therefore Noobschool officially takes the title of league staller, as he still has 2 games remaining in group F.

You better hope me and him don't end up in Group F together, then. Pretty sure I'm the staller in the Small Earth league. :P
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/7/2015 18:25:20


ChrisCMU 
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Maybe Frank can post the divisions for next season since we are only waiting on two games (which will not decide a division winner)?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/8/2015 07:47:51


Pushover 
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If Frank does what he did last season, he'll think about maybe getting the next season going on February
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/8/2015 10:39:10


Sułtan Kosmitów
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If there was a way to join it now, I would try it out
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/10/2015 08:22:54


Pushover 
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Noobschool has completed all but one game! We're on the final countdown!

GROUP F
ChrisCMU (7-0) - WINNER
Don [ Ω ] (5-1)
Polakillo (5-2)
NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex (3-3)
BlacKnight (2-5, 2-0)
[NL] ARand0mPlayer (2-5, 1-1)
[REGL] bobbob000 (2-5, 0-2)
ChristophU (1-6)

These are the final standings of the group regardless of the results of the final game. Hoho. Later this week I'll put the final standings of all groups into one post so you can all salivate over promotion and relegation possibilities.

...also Miyagi sent me a skype message saying he's withdrawing from the league. Why he never bothered to post in the thread or thinks I'm in charge of this thing I'll never know...
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/11/2015 17:04:57


s1gmoyd
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Why February? Is New Year's Day too close?

Can't wait either way.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/11/2015 17:47:24


Sułtan Kosmitów
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where can i sigh myself to play this? :p
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/11/2015 17:47:25


Sułtan Kosmitów
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Where can I sign myself to play this ? :p

Edited 12/11/2015 18:47:22
Promotion/Relegation League Season 17: 12/11/2015 18:25:39


ChrisCMU 
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Just got email F ended
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